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and that will do it for me alejandro

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what's going on

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oh this and that this and that and the

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other

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for this and that

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okay well

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awkward shuffle through your notes

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okay yeah no there's some good stuff

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this week

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great but it really is i know there is

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great even great stuff all right

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so are you ready i'm ready absolutely

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okay cool so yeah this is a cool one

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from uh have you heard of john greenwald

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never uh

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yes of course i have and no you have i

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got to meet him last year yes oh you did

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that's wonderful yeah great kid he's not

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so much a kid anymore i think he might

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even be

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uh in his 30s and he's a father now but

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he was a kid when he started doing all

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of this and what was it that he did he

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would do

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freedom of information act requests to

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get all kinds of information out now he

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has

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over a million pages of

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declassified information on his website

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and his latest additions

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are some files from the nash nuclear

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regulatory regulatory commission

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essentially what this is they're called

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the nrc and they you know uh monitor the

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safety of like

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nuclear reactors and stuff like that and

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and that's what they do so he asked them

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for their ufo files

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and it wasn't that long ago and

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surprisingly he said quicker than normal

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he actually got a response and he got 43

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pages of documents

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wow yeah pretty cool so pretty quickly

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now there wasn't a whole lot there it

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sounds like a lot you know 43 pages but

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uh most of these pages had to deal with

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uh one particular case and the last two

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seem to deal with two separate ones or

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just two inquiries they had received so

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not as interesting however the case that

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is mostly featured in these files is

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extraordinary and

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my humble opinion i think it's really

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good so what this uh case uh entails is

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a report that they received in 2010 from

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a former security officer this security

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officer worked at cooper

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um nuclear station

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and essentially it's it's a power plant

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and uh in nebraska

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he submitted this report in 2010

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although he remembered the account from

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the late 80s he just had felt that

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he didn't believe it had gotten properly

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reported so for some reason in 2010 he's

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thinking hey you know what i better make

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sure that i report that and make sure it

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got properly reported so that's

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essentially what he sent in he was like

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you know this should have been reported

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but his sighting is pretty cool so while

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he was at the intake

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structure one night now this

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power plant is right off of the missouri

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river

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and it's actually almost practically in

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the river which is actually which has

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caused controversy in the past about

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flooding and stuff like this because

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it's it's jets out into this river and i

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mean i would be concerned about

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contamination and things like this but

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they probably use the water for cooling

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but anyways that the intake which is

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where you know i'm sure it's taking in

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water

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uh one night when he observed an

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unidentified flying object fly down the

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missouri river it was about a hundred

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and fifty feet in the air it hovered in

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front of the intake he saw it for a few

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minutes then he called another security

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and then together they saw it turn

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and go back up the river and that was it

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so pretty shocking that this had

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happened you know

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but it happened again

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you're supposed to like make some sort

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of explanation of

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whoa i i can't tell actually if you want

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me to be frank with you

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i was thinking we had skype issues

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the hesitation thing because it's been

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happening a little bit

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oh no no that was a um that was a

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dramatic pause

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do that let's just do that over again

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it went up the river

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disappeared

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uh what's

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oh and then but this is what's really

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cool

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so uh is that the next evening it

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yeah wow

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this time at first when it happened he

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didn't call anybody the ufo came up the

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river again but this time it went into a

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protected area and it hovered above one

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of the reactor buildings

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he said he could see it was triangular

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in shape he believed that the object was

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roughly a third the size of the reactor

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building which of course those are very

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large buildings they are

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since it was in the protected area he

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called

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the security break room which is i guess

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where all the all the security guards

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were he was the only one working at the

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time they came out

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and they saw the

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object as well it hovered for a few

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minutes and then it exited the protected

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area

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and returned back up to the river

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back up the river to the north just like

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it had the previous night

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and that was it he never saw it again

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pretty crazy so of course that's a big

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deal when some

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unknown object you know comes in hovers

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and then flies off you know over a

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nuclear power plant

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so he thought you know this is a big

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deal it needs to be reported

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now in these papers the nrc actually did

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some investigation in particular a

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gentleman by the name of nick taylor who

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is a senior resident inspector when he

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sent off information uh in one of these

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letters he said he couldn't find any

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records that corroborated this account

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however he said that doesn't mean that

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it didn't happen he said reporting these

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days is much better than it used to be

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he gave an example that he looked for

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some reports between january 1 1986 and

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december 31st 1989 the witness said he

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believed it happened sometime in that

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period

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the investigator said there were only a

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thousand reports total

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uh overall however he says these days

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uh we report much more thoroughly and

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there's about ten thousand reports a

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year

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so he wasn't surprised he couldn't find

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anything because just people didn't fill

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out reports back then for some reason

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but he did say that regarding the

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investigation of this case it's going to

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be one wild ride

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is what he put

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so we don't know much

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beyond that he said he did

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talk to so the other witnesses the other

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security guards that were hanging out in

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the break room are hanging out in that

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break room to this day so i guess well

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at least in 2010 when this was

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investigated and reported those guys

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still work there uh all of the original

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witnesses just this one

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guy who reported it is the only one who

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was retired so they spoke with the other

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witnesses but unfortunately we don't

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have any information it adds to yet as

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to what they had said uh that was

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apparently

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forwarded to an arb which is a review

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board

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and

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pretty incredible

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report i think huh i do too you know i

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always

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am fascinated by anything to do with uh

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nuclear weapons and nuclear power

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anything to do with ufos because there's

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definitely some type of connection there

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and i wonder if uh robert hastings will

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um

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be interested in trying to investigate

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any part of this one

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uh yeah we'll have to see uh it

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certainly fits in his wheelhouse um

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and uh he's done some

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you know the best work in this area so

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right uh it's a great casey auto look

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into it that's for sure

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i'm sure he probably knows about it i'm

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sure probably john greenwald would have

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contacted him i would

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think maybe i'm just full of assumptions

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i don't know

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yeah i think you're making a lot of

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assumptions i think i am um well however

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he may be aware but that makes me think

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i should forward him this story you know

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why don't you go ahead and afford him

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the story

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okay great idea yeah that is a great

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idea

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i'll do that

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so the other thing this is kind of funny

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too because

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another the other uh files in these

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papers were essentially one person

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claiming that she believed that these uh

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aircraft that were uh nuclear powered

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had crashed and created

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essentially nuclear hot spots

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which they said

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no

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they summarized it the individual

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expressed vague concerns about finding

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low-level radiation within the last year

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where his daughter whom he believes is

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an alien or alien transplant passed

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so that's sad

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she passed away in addition the paper

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goes on in addition the individual

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believes that travel speed can be

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increased using the relativity equation

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with minor modifications finally the

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individual has observed ufos

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they responded to this gentleman and

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essentially said

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you know those topics don't really fit

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into our purview of duties and

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suggested that perhaps he contacted the

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department of defense so are you saying

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these last stories

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someone actually contacted the nrc

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with correct

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wow

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so

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um it makes you wonder why they even

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took the ufo story seriously and looked

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into it you know after um getting all

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types of other strange reports of course

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the guy did work at the plant so did the

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other people i guess that was the

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difference for sure yeah they took it

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very seriously there was no indication

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beyond saying it would be a wild ride

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that they

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were making fun or tongue-in-cheek at

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all

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so they did take it very seriously which

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they should coming from a security

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officer

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but of course it would be very

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interesting to speak with that officer

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or some of these other witnesses

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so hopefully someone will do that

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perhaps it will be myself at some point

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but

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we'll see if anybody beats me to it or

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if uh any of us are able to talk to

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anyone at all

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all right well

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i i think we're we're getting kind of

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out of time-ish sort of i don't think we

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have time for another story unless you

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have a quick one

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uh well just very quickly a couple of

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great cases you know roger marsh seems

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to really love plucking out the triangle

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uh ufo sightings right uh

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the mufon and uh and this was a triangle

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signing so there are a couple more uh

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recent ones so one from virginia and

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this person drew a picture of what they

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saw a triangular craft with five lights

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on it this was from just march 19th so

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very recent

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another one

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is

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from pennsylvania

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dauphin is the name of the city this was

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in february february 14th and this

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person uh drew uh kind of did a graphic

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like a photoshop sort of graphic of what

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they saw so a great graphic so a couple

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more triangular cases that you can see

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also all of which you can find at

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openminds tv

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great

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all right alejandro thanks so much as

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always for your

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for your professionalism and all that

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stuff

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my pleasure all right and we'll talk to

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you next week all right talk to you

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later buddy all righty so hang in

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everyone we're gonna have a quick music

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break and we'll be right back with john

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[Music]

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so

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[Music]

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thanks martin i appreciate you bringing

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me on again yes i think it was uh i

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think it was two years ago i believe it

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was in

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uh december last time we had both you

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and uh

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colonel halt on which was actually a

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very popular show for for us

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right it was definitely an interesting

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show you can say that for sure yeah

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yeah interesting um and

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so

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i i'm glad you're back on and you do a

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show now with uh linda molten howe and

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uh why don't you just tell the listening

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audience about that because uh

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she's a fascinating lady and you

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interview different people yourself

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right

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correct um we started a show it'll be

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just over a year and a half ago on kgra

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called phenomenon radio

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and we've covered different topics but

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we try to stick a little bit to

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the bent waters case itself we've had

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different people on involving that

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and some of the phenomena that's in

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condyne and some of this other stuff

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that can relate to rundle shum but also

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what's going on period you know in as

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far as the sightings and and different

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things like that we're on every thursday

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night on kgra from uh 8 to 10 eastern

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and we have a whole bunch of different

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guests on depending on the week and the

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topic and

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you know as far as where we're trying to

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go with different things right right now

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we've been talking about

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quite a bit about there might be some

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attempt of some kind of i don't like the

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word

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i call confirmation there may be some

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something coming out this summer on

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um that that will be admitted there's

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been some kind of uh like contact with

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something out there in space

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wow you know it's it's uh

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i think i listened to an old show on

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youtube or something like that from way

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back in the 1950s and there was a there

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was a guy in there that was

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claiming that some type of contact he

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was sure that was going to happen

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in his lifetime within the next year or

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two

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and it kind of made me a little like go

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okay so they've been saying it all along

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you know but maybe uh just maybe uh

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you know i i feel i truly feel like we

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are drawing nearer to something you know

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maybe it's my imagination just like it

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was for that gentleman way back then but

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uh are you hearing

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well i was gonna say i think

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expectations are too high i mean

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if you just look at how the government

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handles everything and this may not even

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come from the government directly

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obviously more than likely the

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government will have to allow it to

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happen as far as they'll give their

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blessings but it may come through the

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scientific community um so much of this

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has kind of been

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low

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profile because of the elections we had

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last fall

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i mean on top of what was being covered

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in

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you know what could happen was more

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along the lines that podesta and hillary

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were going to do something after she got

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elected

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but you had stuff coming out that there

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was some articles written there was even

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a paper written and i don't have the

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names of the scientists in front of me

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but

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what area out there you know in the

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solar system they think they've received

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transmissions possibly

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from from that area uh nasa just came

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out recently and said the same thing

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that you know there is a solar system

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that could support life and sadie jumped

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on it right afterwards and said they are

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reevaluating certain signals that come

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from that area based on this you know

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this discovery or whatever you want to

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call whether it was a discovery how long

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they knew it or

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you know this admission they're going to

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look further into maybe there's been

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some signals coming from that area

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so my take on this is that if you have

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never seen the movie contact watch it

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yeah

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because that was kind of

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an interesting spin on how it could all

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take place but

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it would make the most sense and i'm

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sure for the hardcore people living in

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ufology forever they're not going to buy

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you know what'll come out of it but if

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you let the scientists come out

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say they've had

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some kind of interaction or they believe

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they had on top of the fact that it

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could involve the chinese have launched

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a quantum satellite they've confirmed

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that i'm not sure what we have up there

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and they're also putting a quantum

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computer online

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that that would play into this so

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if you let the scientific world admit

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there was some kind of transmission that

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took place because they all but did say

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that

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just had to reconfirm it

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so

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if you did that that would take the

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pressure off the government

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and it would throw into the scientist's

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lap of what it could mean and everything

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else

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and they then they could try to

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speculate on where it is where it's

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coming from

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they decide for the message and all that

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and it would take some of the heat off

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our government for

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you know coming out taking heated

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questions on disclosure

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and on top of that it also would um

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[Music]

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fall into this robert bigelow scenario

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that he did three years ago with george

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knapp and it seems to be falling into

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place see he said we're probably going

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to get confirmation over disclosure

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and that would be kind of what this

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would be that there is something else

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out there but we're not going to go any

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further with it other than that at this

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point right yeah i heard i heard uh

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recently about those radio blasts that's

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interesting uh

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and i'm wondering how

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i know that seti is actually looking or

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turning their you know telescopes in

534
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that direction and and but i i do feel

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i feel like we've been gently led toward

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that direction

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um you know with the

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starting with the kepler telescope and

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all that and just the

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uh you know the more identifiable

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earth-like planets that seem to be

542
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uh found

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um and some interesting ones lately um

544
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just a couple things john i wanted to

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let you know that we do have some

546
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questions

547
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also have a chat room uh someone posted

548
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a question there i asked him to post it

549
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again a little bit later on um so we'll

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be taking questions as far as the phone

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goes just to let the listener

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know i started the show in 2011 i wanted

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to make sure it was interactive with

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everyone so

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phone calls was important to me some

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people complain about them but uh phone

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calls have been important skype is not

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allowing me to add phone calls to the

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conversation and i thought it was

560
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something wrong with my software or

561
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something like that but going into the

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forums and things like that i find out

563
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that anyone that does shows is having

564
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the same issue skype is not fixing it

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because they've done a couple of updates

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since then so i'm gonna get a phone line

567
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,039
service in here somehow i'm gonna get

568
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,039
phones but no phone calls this evening

569
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,480
but again if you're in the chat room and

570
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,600
you're live and you'd like to ask some

571
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,280
questions um

572
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,520
i will ask them a little later on as we

573
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,919
as we go along here

574
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,679
it's better actually in the second hour

575
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,159
if you're hanging in that long

576
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,360
so john uh as far as

577
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,360
i think that when you were on before we

578
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,280
talked about the

579
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,080
different uh it's sort of convoluted

580
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:57,200
tales between a lot of different people

581
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:58,159
um

582
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,120
and

583
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,360
there's a there's confusion you hear you

584
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,840
know quite a bit with what happened and

585
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,840
i know that uh

586
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,679
the situation was not good with you the

587
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,919
way that you were

588
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,080
so-called debriefed

589
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,320
and i can't even believe that

590
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,159
drugs were used i mean it just doesn't

591
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,159
even make any sense that our government

592
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,919
would do that i mean it baffles me

593
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,520
because i don't know if there's other

594
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,480
cases are you familiar with other cases

595
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,799
not ufos but other cases where they use

596
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,039
drugs to uh

597
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,200
interrogate whatever well here's the

598
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,280
thing okay this is what

599
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,240
this is where this there's a problem you

600
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,000
know as far as certain people to follow

601
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,360
the case and different things that have

602
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,400
happened

603
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,440
uh and even i want to throw this out

604
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,880
about colonel hall

605
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:45,919
he

606
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,240
aware of any of that taking place right

607
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:51,919
after the incident

608
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,960
but because penniston under hypnosis

609
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,559
came out and said

610
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,440
that he was injected with um

611
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,760
sodium pentathol but

612
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:03,039
other people said it could have been

613
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,480
pentathol would have been amythol

614
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,799
because that's the more conducive drug

615
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,640
if it really did happen

616
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,960
um i think postenza mentioned a little

617
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,120
bit that he was taken down underground

618
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,520
and intimidated he never really went

619
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,240
into um you know as far as drugs being

620
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,480
used on them um so

621
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,559
there's no there's never really been a

622
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,400
total confirmation

623
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,279
that that took place for sure uh colonel

624
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,440
hall loves to harp on that

625
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,520
but that's one of the issues i have with

626
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,919
him he he says he didn't know it took

627
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,000
place during the time and that's always

628
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,559
been a question of mine is

629
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,279
if this incident took place he claims he

630
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,880
never was talked too debriefed or

631
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,840
anything

632
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,000
um he wasn't aware of this going on with

633
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,200
us but he was the deputy base commander

634
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,320
and if they brought these people in and

635
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,080
according to some there was a group of

636
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,080
us that were brought in and worked over

637
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,760
how could they not have known something

638
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,440
was taking place

639
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,559
i it just seems like that that would

640
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,640
you know and and the second part of it

641
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,799
is his part about saying he was never

642
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,400
talked to a debrief doesn't make any

643
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,200
sense either because he's had he had an

644
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,039
interaction out in the field with

645
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:14,960
something to include a beam of light

646
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,919
coming down his feet with the tape now

647
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,400
he was questioning that one time where

648
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,240
you know he goes they go could you have

649
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
been he goes no he goes what they go why

650
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,320
he goes well several weeks later i wrote

651
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,240
down everything that happened and i

652
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,760
still remember it that way and he says

653
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,400
well according to what you said other

654
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,840
people said it happened immediately

655
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,240
after so who's to say that you couldn't

656
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,000
have been messed with

657
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,919
you know right away and what you wrote

658
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:41,440
down three or four weeks later is what

659
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,400
you remember

660
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,240
based on what they did to you

661
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,240
yes i think you and i may have had a

662
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:49,279
conversation um about what i thought i

663
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,080
heard

664
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:52,960
colonel hall say to me in north carolina

665
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,120
about right yeah um so you know we we

666
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,559
uh

667
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,400
colonel halton i leave it at this point

668
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,600
where

669
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,600
um i think

670
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,240
uh that i heard him say that they use

671
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,120
drugs on him and he says he never said

672
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,120
it and that we're we we're parting as

673
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,279
friends in that way we're not uh getting

674
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:16,799
a big uh argument about it but um

675
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,240
you know it it does it is a little weird

676
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,240
what you just said why

677
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
he wasn't debriefed i mean he was right

678
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,640
there and he was commanding the whole

679
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,919
situation

680
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,000
um you know so it is it is rather

681
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,200
bizarre

682
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,520
that well yeah it goes even deeper than

683
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,840
that as far as he just came out with the

684
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:36,799
book

685
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,159
i think it was last fall yeah um called

686
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,080
the hall perspective and

687
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,559
it was typical colonel hall i mean as

688
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,960
far as going after larry warren

689
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,679
and um that i've always found that

690
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,840
actually not right away but over the

691
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,360
years i've watched this

692
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,880
that it just seems like anytime

693
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,320
something interesting starts coming out

694
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,880
about the case those two seem to go at

695
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,400
each other and

696
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,640
most of the time it is driven by colonel

697
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,960
hall not by warren himself

698
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,279
but it turns into this big

699
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,520
you know back and forth thing and and we

700
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,000
get sidetracked from what actually could

701
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,080
have been at the area in the base what

702
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,159
we could have encountered what went on

703
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,240
but as far as the part about it telling

704
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,799
the story

705
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,320
when you listen to him talk about what

706
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,480
he remembers happening it's fascinating

707
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,279
i mean

708
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,960
here the man was out there with the

709
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,760
five-man team originally and they saw

710
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,279
stuff in the sky

711
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,880
and they had a beam of light come down

712
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,919
to their feet he was recording this and

713
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,679
stuff and that makes that you know

714
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,159
that's huge and and as far as the fact

715
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,799
that you have a lieutenant colonel out

716
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,760
there that documented this you know

717
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:48,320
that makes a lot that's important to the

718
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,200
case

719
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,080
and to have people understand it

720
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,919
whatever you want to believe happened

721
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,840
whether it was e.t

722
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,240
time travelers us

723
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,399
or the phenomenon that they talk about

724
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,760
in con dying

725
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:03,760
or a mixture of all three or four or

726
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,799
whatever something did happen to us but

727
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,559
what ends up happening all the time is

728
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,120
we get into this slug vest especially

729
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,640
him at warren and

730
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,480
and it sidetracks from the incident

731
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,559
itself and it never really gets around

732
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:19,360
to let's move forward to get as many

733
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,159
people

734
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,399
to come out to remember what they heard

735
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:24,960
what they saw or what what they know and

736
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,320
go forward so it hurts the case as far

737
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,120
as the way he comes after warren but he

738
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,360
also likes to come after the rest of us

739
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,840
too and say we're not you know reliable

740
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,559
witnesses because of the fact that he

741
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,159
feels that we were interrogated and

742
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,320
everything else but then he provides no

743
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,080
proof to that matter you know what i

744
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,480
mean and when i say that i'm not saying

745
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,799
that maybe something didn't happen to us

746
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,360
but why does he want to reinforce that

747
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,240
and say he never was messed with trust

748
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,080
him and trust him only

749
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,559
when you can take some of his story as

750
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,520
far as how he's tried to go after us to

751
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,039
include the fact that he lied about

752
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,520
adrian and i's participation in the

753
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,919
incident early on and just now in this

754
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,679
latest book he's admitted now that we

755
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,120
were involved with this party and we

756
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,279
went forward of him

757
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,120
and he even admitted he can't say for

758
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,640
sure what happened to us once we went

759
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:18,159
forward

760
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,080
right right so you do you yourself

761
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:24,640
what do you recall from the debriefing

762
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,389
i never that's the thing i don't ever

763
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,480
remember being debriefed now really i

764
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,720
think bestenza at one point told me we

765
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,200
talked you know we talked occasionally

766
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,520
he told me he said he saw me up there i

767
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,080
think was on monday up there at the uh

768
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,760
security uh

769
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,880
desk or

770
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,679
not

771
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,399
where the security operations was the

772
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,240
desk law enforcement desk was across the

773
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,399
street so he saw me up there at one

774
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,720
point um the only thing i ever

775
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:56,480
remembered was simply

776
00:30:05,350 --> 00:29:57,200
we

777
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,360
there obviously early friday morning and

778
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,279
then i was back out there again saturday

779
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,000
night into sunday now i remember when we

780
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,200
came to work monday we were on before we

781
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,559
went on break on friday the shift

782
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,600
commander said we're probably gonna have

783
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,520
to write something up came back they

784
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,919
wanted us to write something up so i

785
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,559
remember going and seeing with peniston

786
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,279
command second i we went in and saw uh

787
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,679
colonel hall then colonel conrad and

788
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,080
colonel williams each one at a time and

789
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,640
with our statements that we wrote up and

790
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,200
uh peniston did most of the talking and

791
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,279
basically we just got told that it was

792
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,760
being looked into and uh just to stay

793
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,720
quiet

794
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,480
and they'd let us know if they needed

795
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,120
anything from us and i was in there

796
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,720
everyone first class and i just went on

797
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,279
my way and i couldn't explain it anyway

798
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,120
and there's a lot of people higher

799
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,200
ranked to me that said leave it alone so

800
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,039
i did so

801
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,080
now um i've i asked uh last time uh

802
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,840
colonel hall was on this

803
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,360
show i asked him this question i'm going

804
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,880
to ask you the same

805
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,600
and is that if this

806
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,080
hadn't been brought to light

807
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,159
would you have talked about it publicly

808
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:12,080
or would you have just kept quiet about

809
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:13,120
it

810
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,200
and i didn't have any health issues yeah

811
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,799
i probably never would have talked about

812
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,840
it

813
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,799
but

814
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:25,360
i can't say i wouldn't have that later

815
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,240
on

816
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,080
down the line when i started having my

817
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,600
health issues

818
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,760
that i would not have

819
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,600
ever come forward with that ever talked

820
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,760
about i i don't know i mean

821
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,399
because of the the fact that i think

822
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,159
some of the reason why things happen the

823
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:42,080
way they did was i was public about some

824
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,360
of the stuff

825
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,279
do you know as far as what was going on

826
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,200
and what was taking place so

827
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,919
if my health was fine and the incident

828
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,000
just happened and it never seen the

829
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
light of day no i would not have brought

830
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,000
it up there would have been no reason to

831
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,320
yeah um i i can't imagine though what it

832
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,600
would be like

833
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:02,080
for you to be the lone duck uh trying to

834
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,960
bring

835
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,200
this up if you you know if you had if it

836
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,960
didn't come out and you had health

837
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,440
issues and you came out with it

838
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,080
separately or you broke the story

839
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
that would be uh especially years later

840
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,880
it took that long for your health issues

841
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,200
to start that would have been a tough uh

842
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,840
tough road to hoe actually

843
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,799
well well yeah that's true but there has

844
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,519
been declassified documents that emitted

845
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,760
you know talk about reynolds and project

846
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,840
con dying yeah so

847
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:33,679
i mean

848
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,679
know if they could have kept it quiet

849
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,760
for so many different people knew about

850
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,480
it

851
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,480
you know and stuff like that um the

852
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,919
thing that would have probably made it

853
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,000
harder to um

854
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,440
move forward with would have been if the

855
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:50,080
halt memo hadn't surfaced that part i

856
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:50,880
think

857
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,799
that one document was the document that

858
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,039
forced a lot of hands i think and it

859
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,399
sure did yeah

860
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,159
even if it would have

861
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,919
come out because you had the the women

862
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,159
working on it in the uk you have barry

863
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,480
greenwood and larry fawcett working on

864
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,120
it in the states ray beauche and scott

865
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,279
colbert knew about it because it was

866
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039
actually before the memo came out it was

867
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,960
already being talked about so it wasn't

868
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,519
really ever kept quiet so but if you're

869
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,960
just saying if the incident would have

870
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,880
taken place nothing would have ever come

871
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,200
out on it no one knew about it and i

872
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,399
didn't have health issues yeah i would

873
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,679
have stayed quiet

874
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,279
yeah wow now

875
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,039
you mentioned that you really don't

876
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:30,240
remember

877
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,279
ever told to never talk about it from

878
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,120
anything well that's what i said when

879
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:39,760
when we went in and saw the the command

880
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,960
level you know the it was uh conrad and

881
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:45,519
williams it was just kind of along the

882
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:49,120
lines is that we're looking into this um

883
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,159
you know

884
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,679
you need to just kind of be qui stay

885
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,080
quiet about it don't you know

886
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,880
um i i didn't get directly told it was

887
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,559
top secret but

888
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,559
penis then applied it implied it

889
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,120
afterwards when we walked out and kind

890
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,600
of the conversation what place but

891
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,600
but yeah it was clearly

892
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,919
we were let know that just we just

893
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,560
needed to let it go leave it alone if

894
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,839
they needed anything from us they would

895
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,399
get back to us now there was a

896
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,240
on the second night that this happened

897
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,879
in the chat room um

898
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,599
says what's your best guess as to what

899
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,560
happened

900
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,800
on the second night when they s

901
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,480
when they said he

902
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,560
was brought up on board the craft

903
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,520
getting

904
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,359
sucked up into the light

905
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:36,320
in front of adrian as is that i remember

906
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,440
hearing bits and pieces of this but

907
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,960
right adrian

908
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,879
did actually we did an interview with

909
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,720
him on phenomenon and

910
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,639
and i've known about this for quite a

911
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,040
while that had been one of those

912
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,040
kind of the sore points for me

913
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,639
over the years because

914
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,679
halt

915
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,839
went on the attack

916
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,599
this was even before adrian and i even

917
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,640
knew it was out in other words

918
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:02,160
i went on my way i went to my next

919
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,280
assignment

920
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,320
um

921
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,000
left there went to another assignment

922
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,079
and then i started getting phone calls

923
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,480
about it when news of the world hit and

924
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,320
then these investigators started talking

925
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,800
to me and i got brought i was brought up

926
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,480
i go why are you talking to me where you

927
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,760
know they wouldn't give me the whole

928
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,599
story they wanted to know what fight try

929
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,599
to get stuff out of me chuck the carl

930
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,680
got a hold of me too but but it

931
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,920
basically came to light that they knew i

932
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,320
was out there on one night and

933
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,000
then there had been talk that i was out

934
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,599
there on a different night with halt but

935
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,599
halt was denying it was bad mouth and

936
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,960
adrienne and i

937
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,200
and just saying that we were never even

938
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,200
there then if you listen to the tape you

939
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,520
hear my name on it adrian's on it and

940
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,359
it's just slowly been broken down over

941
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,960
the years to now where he's had to admit

942
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,520
we were not only there with him

943
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,400
but

944
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,480
that we went forward of him

945
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:52,640
as far as

946
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,440
uh

947
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,520
adrian's saying that yeah he said on the

948
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,760
radio show he said that

949
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,640
he saw me go into it and he saw me like

950
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,520
i phased out and i was gone

951
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,720
so

952
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,960
it's hard to say what it was i mean

953
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,800
there has been a lot of good research

954
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,720
done recently on technology in the area

955
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,960
what it is declassified documents

956
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,440
i mean it's possible it was something we

957
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,680
were working on even

958
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,720
yeah

959
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:21,440
so many mysteries anyway to this whole

960
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,320
thing

961
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:24,240
um to begin with

962
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,119
um

963
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,240
so your health issues

964
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,599
is it something you're free to talk

965
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,359
about or would

966
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,200
be interesting no i mean well do you

967
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,520
have a question or yeah

968
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,599
what what uh

969
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,839
first of all i understand

970
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,320
your military records were completely

971
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,280
lost or not found so let's let's talk

972
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:47,440
about that and then the process that you

973
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,640
had to get

974
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,440
uh through in order to get some help on

975
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,640
this

976
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,280
okay well what what ended up happening

977
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:58,720
was it was it was it was it it just

978
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,480
happened after we went over in 2010

979
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,880
for the 30th when i came back i wasn't

980
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,079
feeling well

981
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,400
and but prior going back to the very

982
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,240
beginning so like i said stage right

983
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,960
after the incident i didn't feel well

984
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:13,839
and

985
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,480
also went in my mouth turned white but i

986
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,640
didn't feel well and when i went in the

987
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,480
doctor found a heart murmur

988
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,640
and to set the stage you couldn't get in

989
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
the air force if you had a heart murmur

990
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,960
and there's been you know skeptics or

991
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,160
whatever you want to come say well you

992
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,000
know they might have missed it well

993
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,760
from the immediate time that they first

994
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,440
found it right after the incident it was

995
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,640
they said it was one of the loudest

996
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,000
they've ever heard

997
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,240
now my entry level physical no heart

998
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,200
issues

999
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,040
right after the incident they found this

1000
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,280
heart murmur um shortly after that they

1001
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,440
sent me to wright patterson which it

1002
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,520
still may not mean anything but

1003
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,359
not knowing at the time but later on you

1004
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,200
find out this is where they look into

1005
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,359
some of this stuff especially maybe if

1006
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,359
you had some involvement with technology

1007
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,520
were affected by something so i went to

1008
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,000
write pat um they confirmed i had a

1009
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:04,800
heart murmur mitral valve prolapse

1010
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,200
regurgitation so i had a decent type of

1011
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,680
heart issue that came on right after the

1012
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,160
incident so that was established that

1013
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,400
was in my medical records okay

1014
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,680
so when i got out in 88 of active

1015
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,320
it's in my exit physical yes he's now

1016
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,839
developed heart issues and it says in

1017
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,160
there i developed heart issues okay why

1018
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,599
on active duty

1019
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,079
wasn't before coming in was while on

1020
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,920
active duty so i had these two documents

1021
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,480
um but what happened was after i came

1022
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,880
back in 10 i started not feeling well i

1023
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,160
just thought it was bronchitis or

1024
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,760
something from being over in england and

1025
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,920
you know i got sick well when i went

1026
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,720
into urgent care i was having trouble

1027
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,200
catching my breath finally um they found

1028
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,880
out i was in congestive heart failure

1029
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,079
afib

1030
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,880
so they took me in they got my heart

1031
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:56,400
back in rhythm

1032
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,599
and

1033
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,640
the doctor at the time wanted to know

1034
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,520
you know

1035
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,040
when i first developed all this and

1036
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,520
stuff it was going back and forth and i

1037
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,280
told him it happened in the military so

1038
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,560
he said

1039
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,480
well i'd like to see those records i'd

1040
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,000
like to look at the records and see what

1041
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,480
the initial diagnosis was the echo and

1042
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,480
everything else i said all right

1043
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,200
so what i ended up doing was going to uh

1044
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,760
kyle senator kyle's office and i had

1045
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,520
them request my military so i had a

1046
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,320
record of it my military records and my

1047
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,599
health records

1048
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,760
well the initial response back was my

1049
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,000
records weren't where they belonged

1050
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,560
which the the lady most people that they

1051
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,560
think the senator directly does all this

1052
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,720
it's not what goes on it's the clerks

1053
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,119
you know the clerk or the staff i want

1054
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,880
to call them staff that work for the

1055
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,200
senator that that does the work

1056
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,599
so i just got this letter back that the

1057
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,440
air force responded back so my records

1058
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,200
weren't where they were supposed to be

1059
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,119
so my response back was well what does

1060
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,560
that mean what are you going to do and

1061
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,760
they said well we're going to dig

1062
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,720
further

1063
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,920
so

1064
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,359
um

1065
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,280
she made more inquiries

1066
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,240
and

1067
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,320
they got back a portion of my medical or

1068
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,119
my not my medical my personnel records

1069
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,720
but one of the things that stood out

1070
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,560
right away was there was no records of

1071
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,920
me being

1072
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,200
in

1073
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,440
england at bentwater's the records all

1074
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,599
started after i was back in the states

1075
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,599
but i mean looking at him at the

1076
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,960
beginning you're like whatever i don't

1077
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,280
know why all my records aren't there but

1078
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,839
they weren't and then she when she sent

1079
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,640
that

1080
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,560
those records with me in the letter she

1081
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,359
put

1082
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,040
i believe your your medical records are

1083
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:34,480
classified and so she said that to give

1084
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,069
oh you there john

1085
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,230
okay you there yeah yeah

1086
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,680
i don't know what happened yeah okay

1087
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:49,040
you're back that's good that's all i

1088
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,480
care about um

1089
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,480
she said i need to go down to the va and

1090
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,400
and file for disability because that

1091
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,079
would open that would force them to

1092
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,079
answer more questions so i did so this

1093
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,400
was in the summer kyle was not going for

1094
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
reelection in the fall

1095
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,920
and i didn't hear anything back after i

1096
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,040
went and submitted all the paperwork

1097
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,960
took it to them i did meet with her

1098
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,480
briefly when they gave the paperwork she

1099
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,240
said a couple things to me that was

1100
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,119
interesting she said that she goes she

1101
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,520
knows something bad happened to us

1102
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,920
and but she she feels that she's only

1103
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,119
going to be able to do her best to get

1104
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,560
me medical care

1105
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,640
but don't expect to get my records and

1106
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,160
don't expect to get an answer on what

1107
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,839
took place so that was a little

1108
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,960
interesting

1109
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,319
so

1110
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,160
november came hadn't heard nothing yet

1111
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:32,160
sent him a letter they responded back

1112
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:33,280
that

1113
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,119
weren't they were unable to get what

1114
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,960
they wanted recommended i go to senator

1115
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,040
mccain's office so they forwarded my

1116
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,040
whole pack at the mccain's office they

1117
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,640
were able to get me in for my initial

1118
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,560
disability um

1119
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,560
uh review when i went in there the

1120
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,319
doctor asked me point blank after asking

1121
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,000
me some questions about my issues i was

1122
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,599
claiming she just looked at me and she

1123
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:55,280
said well everything you're claiming

1124
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,319
couldn't have happened to you in the

1125
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,079
military because there's no records of

1126
00:42:03,190 --> 00:41:59,520
you being in the military during that

1127
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,200
time frame medically or personnel wise

1128
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,640
so i'm looking at it i go what do you

1129
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,480
mean she goes you didn't come in until

1130
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,480
1982. these are the records i have in

1131
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,079
front of me saying that

1132
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,560
like well i came in 79

1133
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,480
and so i showed her of some pay records

1134
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,560
i had in a briefcase i was carrying she

1135
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,839
looked at her eyes got kind of big she

1136
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,520
goes i go well what are you going to do

1137
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,960
now she says well there's nothing i can

1138
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,079
really do other than write up what's

1139
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,000
available to me that'll be up to the pay

1140
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,400
grade higher than me it's like fine so

1141
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,240
two months later they came back and

1142
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,160
denied my disability based on the fact

1143
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,319
that i was not in the air force from 79

1144
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,359
to 82 provided a dd form 214 showing

1145
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,680
that i wasn't that i came in in 82 so

1146
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,640
they altered my dd form 214

1147
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,680
and that there were no medical records

1148
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:46,480
for me for me 79 82 either

1149
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,440
so

1150
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,359
this was the denial letter and it was

1151
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,599
all spelled out in there right

1152
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,079
so and and what they were emphasizing

1153
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,240
too was they were they acknowledged the

1154
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,000
fact that my claim was i was injured in

1155
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,680
the line of duty at bent waters and

1156
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,200
rental sephoras

1157
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,280
but that i couldn't have been because i

1158
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,480
wasn't

1159
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,880
in the air force then so that was

1160
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,359
mccain's office went nuts

1161
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,640
i mean

1162
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
they didn't they couldn't believe this

1163
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,079
was going on and

1164
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,440
so

1165
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:19,119
they started pushing harder i had to

1166
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,240
meet with

1167
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,400
some people up higher in his staff now i

1168
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,200
was you know it was the i was talking to

1169
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,480
now the people

1170
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,319
way close to him and i actually got to

1171
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,920
meet him at one point too and talk to

1172
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,200
him about it

1173
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,400
but

1174
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:34,960
what they were able to do eventually was

1175
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,240
to they did finally get my

1176
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:40,319
dd form 214 to show i was in the air

1177
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,240
force in 79. but the comment was from

1178
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,119
the staffers was we were able to get

1179
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,160
them to change your dd form 214 but

1180
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,200
don't expect your medical records

1181
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,800
you're not going to get them okay

1182
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,040
they're classified so

1183
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800
i'm like okay

1184
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,200
but being is the fact is that they now

1185
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,920
had to admit i was in in 79

1186
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,960
um

1187
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,800
and at that point we were already

1188
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,880
threatening i had a lawyer working with

1189
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,599
me out of mississippi patrisconia really

1190
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,760
good guy he wasn't a va lawyer but what

1191
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,280
we were going to do was we were going to

1192
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,599
go to federal court and file

1193
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,480
we're going to file a lawsuit

1194
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,640
you know asking for my medical records

1195
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,480
because the va wasn't taking

1196
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,200
responsibility for me and my civilian

1197
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,560
doctors couldn't treat me because they

1198
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,960
didn't know what i was dealing with

1199
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,839
so

1200
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,839
all that was going on

1201
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,480
and so they started moving forward

1202
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,880
with that as far as they admitted i was

1203
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:39,599
in

1204
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:45,280
too

1205
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,240
but

1206
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,720
another factor came into play

1207
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,440
um we went to this what i believe is

1208
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,040
called the citizens hearing correct me

1209
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:56,160
if i'm wrong with steve bassett yeah

1210
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,119
and

1211
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,400
so we went

1212
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,560
to the citizen hearing and we did a

1213
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,720
presentation it was nick pope

1214
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,119
patrick patricia the attorney myself

1215
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,960
and pedestal was there and we did a

1216
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:08,319
presentation

1217
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,640
incident but what happened to us

1218
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,760
physically and provided information

1219
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,319
to them and they were moved by it and

1220
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,839
they were even shocked that there was a

1221
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,920
classified record section where they

1222
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,400
kept military records classified the

1223
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,319
medical that a lot of them didn't know

1224
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,920
and a couple of them did but several of

1225
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,359
them didn't

1226
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,280
so they wrote a letter

1227
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,720
they had two letters written they had

1228
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:34,560
one for president obama and one for the

1229
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,440
va

1230
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,960
and they signed it and they sent it into

1231
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,359
both of them and right after that all

1232
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,280
happened all of a sudden

1233
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,160
a pack got a phone call from an xcia guy

1234
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,400
or i shouldn't say x he was

1235
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,560
had been in the company and then he was

1236
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,040
a consultant now for them and he stepped

1237
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,800
forward and met with

1238
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,880
pat then met with me that met with

1239
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,079
peniston

1240
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,240
and he supplied some information

1241
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,880
including a letter with some data in it

1242
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:01,599
that

1243
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,520
and the next thing you know all of a

1244
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,520
sudden i'm getting medical care i'm

1245
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,200
getting in front of a surgeon they're

1246
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,119
doing surgery on me

1247
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,280
and then then with all the other stuff

1248
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,200
going on eventually they granted me

1249
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:18,560
disability

1250
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,200
based on the fact that i was injured in

1251
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,760
the line of duty in randallstrom forest

1252
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,599
and the press release that came out was

1253
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,599
the fact of the us government and missed

1254
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,520
ufos exist because

1255
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,359
that was what the case has been labeled

1256
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,119
you know what i mean

1257
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,560
so wow the the evidence there that i

1258
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,240
presented

1259
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,000
the government accepted and said that

1260
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,680
yes you were injured by whatever you

1261
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,440
encountered in reynolds isn't that

1262
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,560
amazing

1263
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,720
yeah that really is something that's

1264
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,560
groundbreaking as far as

1265
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,520
you know something like that happening

1266
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,920
right but they never admitted and billy

1267
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,240
cox the reporter out of florida we

1268
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,640
provided him all the documentation

1269
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,359
showing him exactly you know the case

1270
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,119
file that was presented as far as what

1271
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,119
we were presented what the va agreed to

1272
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,200
and he wrote an article on it and he saw

1273
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,599
the information they admitted

1274
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,599
that my case was based on injuries in

1275
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,400
the line of duty at randalls from forest

1276
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:17,440
so

1277
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,200
what they haven't admitted to is what it

1278
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,400
really was or what was taking place yeah

1279
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,200
well

1280
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,599
you can only assume right

1281
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,720
um so a question in the message board

1282
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,119
adrian i never know how to pronounce his

1283
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,720
last name bastenza yeah but yeah um he

1284
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,200
once said now this is allegedly once

1285
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,480
said because someone's writing this in

1286
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:42,240
the message board

1287
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:44,560
that halt was at the landing on the

1288
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,990
well

1289
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,560
the landing that you were at obviously

1290
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,599
well yeah

1291
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,800
the originally

1292
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,400
the guys that went out there was colonel

1293
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,880
hall a monroe neville's disaster

1294
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,000
preparedness uh uh master sergeant ball

1295
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,880
was the oncoming security flight chief

1296
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,800
so it actually happened i believe

1297
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,560
started on swing ship by the time they

1298
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,319
got everybody together the

1299
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:11,440
the

1300
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,960
commander on swing shift and he held

1301
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,839
over and then bostinza was in that group

1302
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,599
and then i met up with hall after he'd

1303
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,880
been out there for a while and went

1304
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,280
forward and yeah

1305
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:30,640
this is the big discrepancy that

1306
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,760
that there's a there's a gap in the tape

1307
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,319
um halt went out of his way to say that

1308
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,599
adrian and i weren't there and over the

1309
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,119
years admitted that finally now we were

1310
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,040
there and then we went forward and he

1311
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,800
says he can't say that something didn't

1312
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,880
happen to us when we went forward but

1313
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,200
that is the area i think pretty much

1314
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,680
that he's always tried to cover up as

1315
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,960
far as keep it from ever going anywhere

1316
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,520
and that they did see whatever happened

1317
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,920
to adrian and i now whether or not

1318
00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:59,359
they

1319
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,960
now when we went forward or not i don't

1320
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,760
know

1321
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,359
but that would be the whole thing in

1322
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,200
there and there's a gap in the tape

1323
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,400
where

1324
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:10,160
nothing's happens for quite a while and

1325
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,280
then obviously he says they're heading

1326
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,880
back to base

1327
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,800
wow now so

1328
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,960
do you remember actually walking toward

1329
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,480
the craft

1330
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,640
well i don't call it a craft i always

1331
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:22,319
remember it as lights you know in other

1332
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,680
words peniston described it as a

1333
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,119
triangular craft

1334
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,040
adrian called it lights until i went

1335
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,960
into it then he said it exploded into

1336
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,040
something that looked kind of triangular

1337
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,119
with blue lights in it

1338
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,880
um but

1339
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,119
i got him and i were running forward

1340
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,960
towards it and

1341
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,040
what what happened was

1342
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,760
some the whatever it was started coming

1343
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:45,839
back towards the halt landing party when

1344
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,440
i met up with him and hal asked me

1345
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,359
is that what you saw the first night and

1346
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,520
it was in a distance too but it looked

1347
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,040
kind of like something when we were

1348
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,800
looking at it from a distance but this

1349
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,480
time it was like coming over the top of

1350
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,319
some trees out in front of us down in

1351
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,760
towards the field

1352
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,200
so i'm just like i don't know i'd like

1353
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,559
to get a closer look so he left the

1354
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,119
stinson i go forward and we started

1355
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,920
moving towards it um we were running

1356
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,520
adrian went down to the ground he said

1357
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,880
he felt like something pushed him down

1358
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,280
held him down and then he then he

1359
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,079
described it he saw me go into it i

1360
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:20,160
phased out like i was gone or almost

1361
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
gone

1362
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,200
and then one of us was going on and

1363
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,240
exploded then whatever it was then i

1364
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,920
reappeared and was gone

1365
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,520
and all i remember was getting close to

1366
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,119
it and then it was gone

1367
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,440
that's all you remember and yes what

1368
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,000
about um

1369
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:38,160
what about that night afterwards did you

1370
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,119
feel do you remember how you felt or

1371
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,040
did you feel like there was something

1372
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,160
else you know wrong other than you know

1373
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,800
the sighting itself

1374
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,760
well the the crazy thing is is that

1375
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,480
adrian and i have talked about this

1376
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,480
and i remember

1377
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,240
when it was gone i was standing there i

1378
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,559
saw him we had a brief conversation kind

1379
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,520
of like

1380
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,200
about what took place

1381
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,520
and we started walking back and him and

1382
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,240
i have no memory from that point until

1383
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,000
the next day wow

1384
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,559
we don't know

1385
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,880
how we where we got taken back

1386
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,880
um you know how we got back who we met

1387
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,599
up with or what happened now i don't

1388
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,240
remember anything until the next evening

1389
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,240
which was sunday night and i was out on

1390
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,040
the flight line in the post office

1391
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,319
and um i saw the c5 came in i've talked

1392
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,760
about you know i was like i was checking

1393
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,760
a mill and there was a c5

1394
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,000
um and adrian never will explain much

1395
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,000
other than he remembers the next

1396
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,319
afternoon so

1397
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,359
so i i can't tell you and neither can

1398
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,520
adrian for sure what happened there has

1399
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,680
been a new witnesses come forward

1400
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,680
recently that came on our radio show and

1401
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,800
talked about it she worked in supply

1402
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,800
and she said that

1403
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,040
on all three nights she was sent out and

1404
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:58,720
picked us up

1405
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,319
she was out there was the incident was

1406
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,119
taking place and transported us back

1407
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,800
and had it and we were checked out by a

1408
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,200
mil um like a doctor she called him on a

1409
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:10,400
white coat

1410
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,280
and

1411
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,880
the interesting thing was a couple

1412
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,760
things

1413
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,880
about her story that was very

1414
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,839
interesting was

1415
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,480
peniston

1416
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,079
and more than one occasion including

1417
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:21,839
with hal myself

1418
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,559
and on other documentaries he completely

1419
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,160
went to a totally different area than

1420
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,839
what i remember us being at in our

1421
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,240
statement support and he would go right

1422
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,440
outside the east gate and say it was

1423
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,520
right on the fence line well

1424
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:34,880
she

1425
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,319
there we were up by that fence line

1426
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,280
and she also said that halt was

1427
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,200
also taken back and looked over on the

1428
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,559
third night

1429
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,760
and halt went ballistic on that but

1430
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,280
then he's gone around and talked a

1431
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,599
little bit about how he does believe we

1432
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,680
were all checked out worked over

1433
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:58,319
by the guy she describes in a white coat

1434
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,359
but

1435
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,280
again he doesn't he believes all of us

1436
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,520
were all worked over except that

1437
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,160
he wasn't to include the fact that we

1438
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,760
were all taken away on the third night

1439
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:08,880
again

1440
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,240
except for him but how could he not know

1441
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,880
we were taken away and say that we were

1442
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,640
but he wasn't then you see what i'm

1443
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,119
getting at yeah yeah so he's kind of

1444
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,200
supported her story but and then taking

1445
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,200
shots of the story but the most part of

1446
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,599
what he took shots at was that he wasn't

1447
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,520
taken in he wasn't worked all right you

1448
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,480
know the rest of us were but he wasn't

1449
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,119
yeah do you think uh

1450
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,359
would you give him like

1451
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,440
this that you know perhaps

1452
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,880
it's just his

1453
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:40,960
has no memory of it

1454
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,839
happening well interesting enough a guy

1455
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,760
that he worked with for a while they

1456
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,920
were trying to put together a movie and

1457
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,760
he was working with the guy

1458
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,720
and he was the one that halt came when

1459
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,319
he came out and talked about it right

1460
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,200
around 10 that he'd always told people

1461
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,119
behind the scenes it was more technical

1462
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,119
and look at other areas but then all of

1463
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:03,040
a sudden around 10 he came out and said

1464
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,400
it was e.t

1465
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,240
and we're not alone

1466
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:08,960
but his statement kind of supports con

1467
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,559
dying in a lot of ways other than he

1468
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,559
said he thinks it's e.t

1469
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,800
but the guy that he was working with

1470
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
came out and said later that halt

1471
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,960
told him he has no memory on certain

1472
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,440
things and may have some missing time

1473
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,359
but then halt came back and denied it

1474
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,680
later and there's been some other things

1475
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,480
that a couple researchers are working on

1476
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,160
that i don't want to say much about now

1477
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,920
other than we'll see what what they come

1478
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,680
forward with where he made some

1479
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,440
statements early on to some people that

1480
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,680
may come out that will support some

1481
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,960
things about the fact that

1482
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,440
he may have been worked over and he saw

1483
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:47,200
other things that he hasn't admitted to

1484
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:48,079
so

1485
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,040
wow

1486
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,040
yeah

1487
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,200
that is something so i just want to

1488
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:55,839
throw a question at you that's in our um

1489
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:58,880
on our forum and that as a result of the

1490
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,400
ufo events that took place over the base

1491
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,640
do you think that this is for an opinion

1492
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,760
do you think

1493
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,760
senior military staff

1494
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,680
have been briefed on how to deal with

1495
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,599
this scenario and contain any

1496
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,200
information leaking

1497
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:15,599
to the public if it occurred at another

1498
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,790
you know there's people that have done

1499
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,440
research on that i think somebody found

1500
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:26,000
some documents that were out there that

1501
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,040
were

1502
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:29,280
that that the air force had that how to

1503
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,950
it's hard to say i mean

1504
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,319
there's been enough incidents that have

1505
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,319
taken place over the years

1506
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,640
you know that the air force has had

1507
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,960
strange things around the base and their

1508
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,960
personnel involved with that i would

1509
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:49,520
assume that if it's not at the local

1510
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
level

1511
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:52,640
that if it's ones that's up channel that

1512
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,760
then they go into you know defense mode

1513
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,839
as far as how to handle it and public

1514
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,760
affairs handles it um

1515
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,760
the other thing was in con dying it

1516
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,200
talked about how

1517
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,440
that wing commanders were briefed on a

1518
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,920
phenomenon because of the interaction

1519
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,799
with aircraft and they were briefed and

1520
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,359
their pilots were briefed on how to deal

1521
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,040
with it because there had actually been

1522
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:18,640
aircraft brought down by this phenomenon

1523
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:24,789
yeah it all

1524
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,839
as far as you remember when the events

1525
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,640
all

1526
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,359
started had before i should say had

1527
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,440
anyone ever talked about

1528
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,319
um anything happening there previously

1529
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,990
prior to the incident no i didn't know

1530
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,400
anything about that um other than there

1531
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,160
were stories about the place being

1532
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,160
haunted easton charlie

1533
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,640
and and witches in the area and some

1534
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,799
weird stuff like that but i never heard

1535
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,040
any stories of ufo activity

1536
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,280
um but after the incident took place

1537
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,799
over the years talking to different

1538
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,520
people there were different people that

1539
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:03,440
had different encounters

1540
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,280
way back even in you know like 78 there

1541
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,559
was some stuff that happened at

1542
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:09,839
woodbridge

1543
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,720
that happened around the wsa that was

1544
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,760
active

1545
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,240
at the time with the f4s being there but

1546
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,559
it then it got deactivated after the f4

1547
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,880
is left in the tens came in so there was

1548
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,880
some stuff that took place there there

1549
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,480
was some stuff that took place at bent

1550
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,520
waters there was the 56 incident that

1551
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,359
happened at bent waters

1552
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,040
where they picked something up on radar

1553
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,400
and they chased it supposedly with

1554
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,839
aircraft

1555
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,640
so

1556
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,640
yeah there have been stuff that happened

1557
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,280
prior to us and even a couple guys that

1558
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,960
we've interviewed that right before our

1559
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,880
incident saw different things and stuff

1560
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,359
strange things happened but did i know

1561
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:47,920
about this prior to the incident no have

1562
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,559
i found out about it since yes yeah well

1563
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,160
on the other side

1564
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,480
um i understand there's still

1565
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,960
things happening there do you

1566
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,799
follow any of that

1567
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,640
yeah i deal with people that are they're

1568
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
living over there um i talk to different

1569
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,720
people all the time and yeah there's

1570
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,720
still strange stuff um when we went back

1571
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,359
in 10 um we had a guy come down an

1572
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,280
engineer come down with equipment and we

1573
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,680
filmed some weird stuff that was out in

1574
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,240
the field and we had some em readings

1575
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
and some strange stuff that went on so

1576
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,480
yeah there there's still there's still

1577
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,880
strange stuff going on that can't be

1578
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,400
totally explained

1579
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,799
yeah you know to this day so

1580
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,400
right and i heard you say earlier you

1581
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,040
know i i know that um

1582
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,960
chuck thinks that it's

1583
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,119
most likely e.t

1584
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,440
well he made a press release on it so

1585
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,079
yeah yeah he he said that on this show

1586
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,000
as well when he was on

1587
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,359
um

1588
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,760
and you sound like you're kind of

1589
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:47,359
confused about

1590
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,640
what

1591
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,079
it could be um and i don't blame you i

1592
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,760
mean i would be too

1593
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:55,359
um but the

1594
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:56,960
i guess i'm gonna ask you what what do

1595
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,280
you think the most likely

1596
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:01,280
possibility

1597
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,280
of what happened on those nights was

1598
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,079
well i can tell you before i've done

1599
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,799
this research i've always felt like it

1600
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,119
was something that we were doing that

1601
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,960
caused something to happen

1602
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,440
and what i mean by happening is like you

1603
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,079
know i can't tell you what what

1604
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,760
what we dealt with but there was

1605
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:24,319
something else there other than just us

1606
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,119
and

1607
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,240
so much research now shows the area

1608
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,079
declassified documents show that there

1609
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,680
was all kinds of special weapons

1610
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,839
programs going on special access

1611
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,680
programs were taking place right outside

1612
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,000
the base where it was alright bowser

1613
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,599
models from heath

1614
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,920
um the bt site that was connected to

1615
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,680
mars from heath

1616
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,599
you had orford nest you had all this

1617
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,119
stuff that was there they're working on

1618
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:49,680
em fields and different technologies

1619
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,119
plasmas and stuff and then you had

1620
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,040
condyne that got declassified where they

1621
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,200
said we were exposed that was one of the

1622
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,960
documents helped to get that helped me

1623
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,799
get my um

1624
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,119
my disability was the fact that in condy

1625
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,520
and it said that we were exposed to uap

1626
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,799
radiation

1627
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:08,079
so

1628
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,119
there's a phenomenon and that

1629
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,040
that phenomenon was present

1630
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,799
you know in that area

1631
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,079
so

1632
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,200
my take is is i'm not saying i'm i don't

1633
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,000
have an opinion either way on et okay i

1634
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:26,319
don't believe that we're we're the only

1635
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,160
ones in the universe but i've never had

1636
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,920
seen any hardcore proof wanted me to be

1637
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,599
proof is there's never been an

1638
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,520
explanation of what it is that we'd be

1639
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,440
dealing with other than condying came to

1640
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,520
closes and said there's a phenomenon

1641
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:40,720
that exists

1642
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,240
and that as far as time travelers well i

1643
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,680
you know

1644
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,440
could it be possible i guess if in the

1645
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:49,680
future they came back maybe

1646
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,910
there you go i'm not sure but i do

1647
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,839
believe we were doing something i don't

1648
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,359
know if we were indirectly doing

1649
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,440
something that caused the problem or we

1650
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,599
were zapping this energy field that's

1651
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,280
there um

1652
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:07,200
there's also the possibility too we were

1653
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,720
working on

1654
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,880
satellite technology as far as bringing

1655
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:12,880
them down and that we may have also

1656
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,520
zapped a soviet satellite during that

1657
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,040
three-day period and brought it down in

1658
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,240
the area

1659
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,640
wow wow so

1660
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,319
yeah um

1661
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,720
one of the things uh you you hear you

1662
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,359
know and now i've invited jim penniston

1663
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,440
on a number of times and he's he's come

1664
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,359
close to coming on but he's never

1665
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,240
um totally accepted coming on but and

1666
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,839
without him being here

1667
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,160
you know i don't want to talk

1668
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,640
i'm not trying to talk negative but i

1669
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:42,640
just want to find out what your thoughts

1670
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,680
were on the binary code if you would

1671
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,359
like to share that

1672
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,440
well sure i mean i i'd like to break it

1673
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,599
down in this way okay first of all

1674
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,680
there's an old saying trust but verify

1675
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,839
and the bottom line is

1676
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:58,480
is when when it first came out

1677
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,079
um i knew nothing about it until we were

1678
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,319
the the 30th anniversary was coming up

1679
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,119
and we were in phoenix we were doing a

1680
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,640
shoot with ancient aliens they were

1681
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,319
going to do a 15 or 20 minute piece in

1682
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,520
their show

1683
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,119
and then they were going to is it

1684
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,319
because the the the show um

1685
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,559
is done by prometheus they do the

1686
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,559
filming for ancient aliens and they were

1687
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,960
going to then go over to the uk with us

1688
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,839
and film us over there for several days

1689
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,599
and put together a documentary and put

1690
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,240
it up for sale so there was two things

1691
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,160
kind of going on at one time

1692
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,119
and when we were in phoenix um he

1693
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,359
brought his notebook now i'll just be

1694
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,359
straightforward the the the questions

1695
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:41,520
that have risen about the notebook is it

1696
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,880
never came public for for years

1697
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,720
the notebook the first discrepancy that

1698
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,359
was noted was in his notebook he had the

1699
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,359
27th of december as the incident taking

1700
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:52,720
place when it took

1701
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,040
place on the 26th and the 27th of

1702
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,599
december matches the halt memo and the

1703
01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:59,280
whole memo had to do

1704
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,040
okay so that was the very first

1705
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,720
discrepancy that came out other than the

1706
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,559
fact that

1707
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:06,000
that um

1708
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,000
that the notebook didn't surface until

1709
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:11,200
the mid 90s now he came out with an

1710
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,040
excuse well you know i was still on

1711
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,359
active duty so i didn't bring it out but

1712
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,440
him and i and halt did a show together

1713
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:19,839
in the uk called strange but true

1714
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,640
you know he never talked to halton about

1715
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,720
the notebook over there he never showed

1716
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,880
the notebook he claims that he offered

1717
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,960
it to him at the time

1718
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,640
but

1719
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,000
you know i was in the production

1720
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,079
meetings he never brought it up

1721
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,079
so the notebook didn't come out for

1722
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,119
quite a while after the incident and

1723
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,799
then there's another radio interview he

1724
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,160
did with a guy by the name of richard

1725
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,640
berlino who bertolino said when they

1726
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,720
write back from woodbridge

1727
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,440
that that he was sketching what he saw

1728
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,760
but with his notebook but there was no

1729
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,599
mention of anything else being written

1730
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,880
in the notebook

1731
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,200
you know or the glyphs or anything else

1732
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:58,960
so a lot of this stuff didn't surface

1733
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,839
till later okay so that's that's another

1734
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,079
question people have all right and that

1735
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:05,920
includes the notebook and the glyphs all

1736
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:06,799
right

1737
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:10,000
then this stuff comes out

1738
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:11,440
and

1739
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:12,799
so

1740
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:15,599
it comes out in the mid to late 90s and

1741
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,640
it all came out around georgina's book

1742
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,480
and sci-fi

1743
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,559
but like i said the date's wrong in it

1744
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,039
so there's an issue with that then

1745
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,480
then then when we were back in october

1746
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,319
that's when the binaries and all of a

1747
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,640
sudden shown to us when we're shooting

1748
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,640
well the issue with that was people

1749
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,319
questioned well how come you never

1750
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:38,799
brought the binary prior to then

1751
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,880
james fox had a notebook hall handled

1752
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:42,400
the notebook call even put in his book

1753
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:43,839
he handled the notebook and never saw

1754
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,000
the binary in there he never talked to

1755
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,559
fox about it and fox actually tried to

1756
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,559
figure out what the glyphs were so you

1757
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,240
had all the issues with

1758
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,839
the notebook showing up late and then

1759
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,760
the binary not being a notebook what was

1760
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,680
excuse for that was well i always kept

1761
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,760
the binary out it was a lucid notebook

1762
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,920
okay i didn't want anybody to see it all

1763
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:03,839
right well then magically he brings it

1764
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,799
to phoenix so we can all see it okay

1765
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,720
and then once they see it and obviously

1766
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,079
ancient aliens wanted to do something

1767
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,440
with it and they did their thing and

1768
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:13,680
linda's uh people had looked at and did

1769
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,559
their thing and they started

1770
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,960
interpreting stuff but then his excuse

1771
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,440
was he really didn't want to come out

1772
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,760
and it should never have come out but

1773
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,440
they made him do it

1774
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,280
but why would he ever bring it show it

1775
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:27,760
to him you get what i'm saying yeah

1776
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,319
so all this this is circulating around

1777
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,880
then we announced it in england and that

1778
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,319
didn't go too well

1779
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,480
and then he did a radio interview and

1780
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:38,000
that didn't go well you can listen to

1781
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,200
the interview it's out there the

1782
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,599
questions and what was asked then

1783
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,799
there's people that have done more

1784
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,799
research and they've uncovered that all

1785
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:47,359
the sites the code sites which by the

1786
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,240
way they had to put a point in there to

1787
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,480
come up with them anyway but the code

1788
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,640
sites were all found on an ancient site

1789
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,319
that was available prior to him coming

1790
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,400
out with it there was a letter that he

1791
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,039
wrote to sally rail in 96 saying that he

1792
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,880
had some kind of messaging but it

1793
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,720
wouldn't come out till the 30-year mark

1794
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:07,119
which magically is that's when it did

1795
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,799
do you know what i'm saying wow so

1796
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,039
there's just a lot of issues

1797
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,960
you know with the code and the

1798
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,119
discrepancies in it on top of the glyphs

1799
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,079
have been found by a company in germany

1800
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,559
that they're using on their equipment

1801
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,640
you know so you have all these issues

1802
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,240
with the code so

1803
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,079
when i first found out about it i was

1804
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,520
intrigued by it

1805
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,000
i tried to follow it through they had

1806
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,200
had a researcher work on it he's put i

1807
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,440
call it putting a a a

1808
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,000
um a square pagan round hole or vice

1809
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:41,039
versa because he's basing it on you know

1810
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,720
the dates times the penises that had

1811
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,039
happened um where the point would be for

1812
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,359
the things and different things and

1813
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,280
transmission errors because jim may have

1814
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,960
wrote it down wrong so

1815
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,640
in essence they're coming out with the

1816
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,520
book

1817
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:55,280
the uh he's going to try to explain

1818
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,720
everything on

1819
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,480
how these discrepancies are what they

1820
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,400
are but he won't talk about him now for

1821
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,240
whatever reason but it's supposed to be

1822
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,720
all laid out in his book and what the

1823
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,559
codes mean finally

1824
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,559
you know seven years later after they

1825
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,079
were introduced in 10 what they could

1826
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,160
mean and all that so what i say to

1827
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:13,359
people is this

1828
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:14,960
i'm a skeptic

1829
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,680
on this simply because of all the

1830
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,680
discrepancies and the way it's been

1831
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,559
handled um but if

1832
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,640
based on don't go in my opinion either

1833
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,720
way i'm not recommending buying the book

1834
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:28,880
but i wouldn't say don't but if you do

1835
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,359
buy it you know read it all and and then

1836
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,280
come up with your own opinion don't let

1837
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,839
other people totally influence you other

1838
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:37,839
than just be aware that there is some

1839
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:40,880
discrepancies involving all this yeah

1840
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,559
wow uh thank you for all that that's uh

1841
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:47,119
that is interesting and uh i think there

1842
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,119
was a story out there too that um some

1843
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:53,839
former girlfriend or something had seen

1844
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,039
the the notebook um with without you

1845
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,920
know with just blank pages past past the

1846
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,160
drawing well no i don't i don't think

1847
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:05,119
that must be misconstrued because

1848
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,039
i know what you're talking about and she

1849
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,599
didn't show up until the uk when we were

1850
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:11,680
over there okay and that had already

1851
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:15,839
been disclosed and what her story was

1852
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,040
and that was another issue that he never

1853
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,400
did if you go back and listen to the

1854
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,480
radio interview he never did get

1855
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,319
the pages straight how many pages there

1856
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,080
were a binary okay

1857
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,640
and what her story was is she saw him

1858
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,239
write some binary

1859
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:31,279
and

1860
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,960
the interesting thing was that would

1861
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,400
have been the last three pages that

1862
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,560
surfaced i believe one to three i can't

1863
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,880
remember i can't even keep track but in

1864
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,440
it said eyes of yours eyes and the thing

1865
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,239
was is that there was some things he was

1866
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,839
he broke up with her and came back and

1867
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,679
saw me in phoenix we were working on

1868
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,679
some stuff and he did

1869
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,279
give me that piece of notebook paper and

1870
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,600
acted weird about it so again all i'm

1871
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,520
saying is there's a lot of things to

1872
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,600
this this is a cut and dry he didn't

1873
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,040
come out right after he started talking

1874
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,359
said here's my notebook i've had glyphs

1875
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,600
i've had this and that now i will say in

1876
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,239
his defense he did talk early on about

1877
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,799
uh uh well actually early early on he

1878
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,440
described the craft differently but then

1879
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,960
when he did kind of really come out and

1880
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,719
go public he did call it a triangular

1881
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,719
craft he did say there was something on

1882
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,920
the craft

1883
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,239
you know but he never did even say did

1884
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,560
he walk around it at first and stuff and

1885
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,960
that was came in later but he did have

1886
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,640
there's some things of his story that he

1887
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,719
did say early on but there's been a lot

1888
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,880
of stuff added over the years

1889
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:33,040
and the fact is if he would have just

1890
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,640
said everything right away when he first

1891
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:36,319
went public it would have made it a lot

1892
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,199
easier to digest than

1893
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,520
you know the way it has been piecemealed

1894
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,600
and there's discrepancies involved in it

1895
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,920
right and i do realize i do realize you

1896
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,159
know this is going way back uh you know

1897
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,040
i remember 1980 and that's a long time

1898
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,560
to remember things but

1899
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,400
um you know things

1900
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,640
uh and there is a there is a problem

1901
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,800
with memory a lot of times but you know

1902
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,360
this is uh above and beyond that uh

1903
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,679
certainly um someone wanted to know what

1904
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:06,080
you thought about leslie kane's

1905
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,080
a book on this account

1906
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,679
you mean the one with the pilots or

1907
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,280
whatever yes

1908
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:14,960
well the interesting thing there's a

1909
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,000
backstory to this that i think

1910
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,920
kind of went by the wayside they were

1911
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,840
setting this up for a while because i

1912
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,679
think people that

1913
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,280
know leslie kane know that she was

1914
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,520
working with podesta

1915
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,520
and this book was written

1916
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,840
um i but you know you had podesta trying

1917
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:32,800
to push

1918
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:35,920
for just with bill back in the 90s you

1919
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,320
had the rockefeller stuff going on um

1920
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,040
then she went forward with her book

1921
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,840
you had the podesta think tank that met

1922
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,400
um leslie was involved with it

1923
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,400
pope were involved with it condy was

1924
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,640
involved with it so all this was going

1925
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,960
on and one of the things that i never

1926
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:55,040
understood till later that i even wonder

1927
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,920
about

1928
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,480
was it was a pretty dry book what i mean

1929
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,480
was just straightforward these are

1930
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,760
different incidents these are what

1931
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,679
people seen there was nothing

1932
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,120
you know

1933
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:07,199
it was just basically a straight cut and

1934
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:08,239
dry book

1935
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,719
and and our book encounters was kind of

1936
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:13,040
that way and i never could understand

1937
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,840
nick

1938
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,600
because

1939
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,120
there was some stuff that's showing in

1940
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,199
there about condy that he would hold out

1941
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,280
that he held out and then

1942
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,760
then the codes there was just the sights

1943
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,080
were released he never there was a

1944
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,239
analysis done early on that was supposed

1945
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,640
to go in with osborne who now is working

1946
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,480
with peniston on a separate book and

1947
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:35,280
that was held out and i can't help but

1948
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:39,120
wonder based on the factory that hillary

1949
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,560
came out on kimmel and said there's a

1950
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,640
new newman culture called uaps which

1951
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:44,880
goes back to condying and all this stuff

1952
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,199
that went on that if they weren't going

1953
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,520
to use

1954
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:51,920
some of that and even bent waters in it

1955
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:52,719
so

1956
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,040
halt you know and he's an officer too

1957
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:59,280
that this was done that way

1958
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,320
so that

1959
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:02,960
that it could open up to

1960
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,920
her opening up some cases but she did

1961
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,400
make that one little caveat that she

1962
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,159
said at the end was what we'll look at

1963
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,480
it but if it's all classified stuff

1964
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,960
we're not we won't go forward with it

1965
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,400
well well

1966
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:18,000
in your opinion what do you think is the

1967
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:19,199
best

1968
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:23,360
documentary most accurate documentary um

1969
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,239
that

1970
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,480
you know how it's reflecting what ha

1971
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,840
actually happened

1972
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,920
well i think

1973
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,400
it's kind of a two two thing

1974
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,320
phase thing you have to say there was

1975
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,320
one that was done and i can't remember

1976
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,960
what it's called but it was done

1977
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:40,880
i think

1978
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,840
it would have been early 2000s it was

1979
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,159
it's been aired on history it's out on

1980
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:48,239
out on the internet it's on youtube but

1981
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:49,199
it had

1982
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,760
as far as the different people were

1983
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,600
involved they had georgina bruni in it

1984
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,560
and stuff

1985
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:57,920
um

1986
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:00,880
then there was another one sci-fi that

1987
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,080
you know they looked at it hard uh the

1988
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,560
initial one that chuck the carl did was

1989
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:08,640
a very interesting documentary and it's

1990
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,199
out on the internet where he went in and

1991
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,800
talked to a lot of people adrian and i

1992
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,640
weren't involved in it and pedestal

1993
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,800
wasn't involved in a halt but they had a

1994
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,360
lot of other witnesses talking about it

1995
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,640
you know people that were actually out

1996
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,320
there with hauled and stuff

1997
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,480
so there's there's several different

1998
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,120
ones out there but the one that had them

1999
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:29,440
a lot of information that was well put

2000
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,560
together was that one that has been on

2001
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,960
history several times that was a good

2002
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:36,560
one because there was most of us were in

2003
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,520
there

2004
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,040
and um

2005
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,080
so it was it was an interesting piece

2006
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,040
now on in your everyday life

2007
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,520
as john burroughs other

2008
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,679
are there connections to this

2009
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,679
like in your everyday life or is it

2010
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,280
something that you you know i know

2011
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,520
you're on with linda once a week

2012
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:57,360
is it something that you just you know

2013
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,400
visit

2014
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,480
now and then or is it a big part of your

2015
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,760
life

2016
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,120
at this point

2017
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,120
there was a point when it was a huge

2018
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,800
part of my life that's when i was sick

2019
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:08,880
and i was doing a lot of research

2020
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,280
um i started before i really got sick

2021
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,440
before the 30th trying to figure some

2022
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,719
stuff out

2023
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,719
and then when i got sick i really got

2024
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,360
into it um but since i've gotten my

2025
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,080
settlement and everything no i i still

2026
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,760
look at it i got different people that

2027
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,600
are doing some good work into it i've

2028
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,600
backed off on some of that

2029
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,159
but um i'd say

2030
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,480
i mean it's always going to be there and

2031
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:34,239
i always get reminders of it with

2032
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,880
different things that people uncover um

2033
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,960
but it's not something that every

2034
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,560
morning i wake up and that's the first

2035
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,640
thing i think about right and your

2036
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,360
community for instance do people know

2037
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,440
like in your community like oh that's

2038
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:49,920
john burroughs you know rendering force

2039
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,719
or or can you you know kind of get away

2040
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,960
with you know running uh

2041
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,880
a typical life without worrying about

2042
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,960
anything like that well sedona when i

2043
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,480
lived in sedona before i moved back to

2044
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,880
illinois i it was hard not to go around

2045
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,640
without the people not knowing who i was

2046
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,640
obviously because then also sedona was

2047
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:08,800
identified as one of the code sites

2048
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,640
but back here there it's been a couple

2049
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,960
times that people

2050
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,520
when i'm out there the the one time that

2051
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,239
stood out but was i was at a baseball

2052
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:19,760
game here a local

2053
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,440
minor league team and i was in line

2054
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,600
getting food before the game and the

2055
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,360
people behind the

2056
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,400
um

2057
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,199
the the counter recognize me i guess

2058
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,440
they just seen that this was one of the

2059
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,440
documentaries on the tv night before and

2060
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,760
they recognized me but no i i can pretty

2061
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,480
much walk around and you know i don't

2062
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,320
have to worry about it i mean it depends

2063
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:41,920
on where you're at you know if you're in

2064
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,080
a town or an area where there's a lot of

2065
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,159
people are into it and stuff you'll be

2066
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,080
recognized more you know than if you're

2067
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:50,239
just in an area like this and illinois

2068
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,440
believe it or not it's had a lot of

2069
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,679
weird things happen in sightings but

2070
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,120
they're not really

2071
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:57,520
a big movement here for ufos and stuff

2072
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,199
so yeah yeah interesting well um a

2073
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,600
question in the uh forum

2074
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,600
on the first night of the rendelstrom

2075
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,400
forest incident after you called in that

2076
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,560
there was something moving in the forest

2077
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:12,640
did anyone check with radar

2078
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,640
installations to confirm that something

2079
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,199
had been detected near the base

2080
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:18,960
well yeah that that's one of the things

2081
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,080
that that was interesting now hall

2082
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,679
has gone on to say that he had him check

2083
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,880
when he was out there and he said

2084
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,640
negative but he found out later from

2085
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,480
radar operators that there was something

2086
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,679
that night

2087
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,760
we never could have left base at night

2088
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,600
if it wasn't for the fact that they

2089
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,520
checked with our local radar which is

2090
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:38,800
rapcon

2091
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,199
and they identified something and then

2092
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:43,760
eastern radar and heathrow saw something

2093
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:45,760
on radar that disappeared into the force

2094
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,080
area because the reason why they sent us

2095
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,159
out there and they don't like this to be

2096
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,239
discussed very much including shift

2097
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,120
commander who came in and disputed some

2098
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,600
of peniston's claims and colonel conrad

2099
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,640
did too

2100
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,239
over the years about some of the things

2101
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,719
that jim's added to the story but i

2102
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,320
challenged the lieutenant i says why

2103
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,840
didn't you send us out there then sir it

2104
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,159
was off base the local authorities have

2105
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,760
been

2106
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,120
notified that there was something

2107
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,880
strange in the forest and we should have

2108
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,040
just monitored it and the reason why we

2109
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:17,040
went out there was because they thought

2110
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,400
an aircraft may have crashed in the

2111
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,400
forest and that's why they sent us out

2112
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,199
there to to look at it and the final

2113
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,679
piece of information a lot of

2114
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:28,000
to go out there was the radar actually

2115
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,280
the subtitle was on radar and it

2116
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:32,640
disappeared oh okay thank you now when

2117
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,440
you actually the first night when you're

2118
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,840
out there in the woods were you walking

2119
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:39,760
you know basically side by side with

2120
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:42,159
peniston or were you like uh far apart

2121
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,600
from each other

2122
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,920
well we got out of the vehicle and we

2123
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,600
moved out forward

2124
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,360
as we approached whatever it was

2125
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,520
pedestrian was in front of me to my left

2126
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,360
i was in the center command set goes to

2127
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:55,920
my left to my right so we were in a

2128
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,840
staggered line formation so i i was i

2129
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:01,920
don't know

2130
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,280
six seven feet from him

2131
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,679
when we came up on whatever it was so

2132
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:10,000
now he describes actually the triangle

2133
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,520
craft going around it and all that but

2134
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:12,560
you just

2135
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,640
what

2136
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,560
when we when we came

2137
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,159
up on the berm

2138
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,920
as far as there was like there was

2139
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:24,000
something in front of us we could see it

2140
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,600
and there was like a small burn we came

2141
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,840
up as we came up on the top of it all of

2142
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,960
a sudden

2143
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,120
there was the lights and it got real

2144
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:33,440
bright so we hit the ground and what i

2145
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,159
remember then was the lights dimmed

2146
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:38,480
and whatever it was went up and took off

2147
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,440
and

2148
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,120
peniston

2149
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,760
again like i said

2150
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,159
over the years he's added to you know

2151
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,120
the fact that he got up walked around it

2152
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,520
touched and did all that stuff so

2153
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:53,280
yeah he's got a different recollection

2154
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:57,760
but cabansack did one interview on uh

2155
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,480
with for james fox it was it was out of

2156
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,400
blue and i know what i saw it was in

2157
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,480
both clips and he basically said we got

2158
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:06,239
close to it and whatever it was we

2159
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:10,159
blacked out once we got close to it wow

2160
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:11,120
so

2161
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,440
jim has now said that only

2162
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,520
him and i were there and ed was to the

2163
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:19,120
back but

2164
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:20,960
early on jim did say in an interview

2165
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,840
that the three of us were together so

2166
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,920
all i'm getting at is yes we all have

2167
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,679
kind of different recollections of what

2168
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,480
took place that it's a fact and even ed

2169
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,719
remembers it a little differently than

2170
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:34,960
than i do or jim so

2171
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,440
now did you were you part of the the

2172
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,800
the crew that went back there and

2173
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:41,199
actually looked for physical evidence

2174
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,400
the next day

2175
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,239
yeah in the morning after we turned in

2176
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:46,000
we saw the ship commander and on our way

2177
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:47,520
home he told us to go back out to the

2178
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,320
site

2179
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,679
and they had the day shift shift

2180
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,280
commander out there they had the day

2181
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,440
shift security flight chief out there

2182
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:55,199
operations officers showed up those are

2183
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,480
the three i remember there were some

2184
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,320
other people out there too but at the

2185
01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:01,040
top of my head i don't remember who they

2186
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,840
were

2187
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,440
but there was some british police out

2188
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:05,760
there too and that's where the area was

2189
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:08,480
where they found the the indentations of

2190
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:10,640
the ground and some damage to the trees

2191
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,920
yeah right right now i saw on youtube

2192
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,520
there's a clip

2193
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,840
that someone posted on there when you're

2194
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:19,440
being

2195
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:22,800
led through hypnotherapy a regression

2196
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,920
um right is that the only time that you

2197
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,840
had ever done that or have you tried

2198
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,440
things like that

2199
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,840
you mean hypnosis yeah

2200
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,440
i'm not sure which one you saw because

2201
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,360
there's a couple different ones out

2202
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,159
there but the original hypnosis was done

2203
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,040
in 88 and that's the one

2204
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,600
that was done because of the fact that

2205
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,080
both times i said when i got close to i

2206
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,679
don't know what happened afterwards what

2207
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,760
i mean by that is the first time i just

2208
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,199
remember it

2209
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,960
you know going up and leaving peniston

2210
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:54,960
remembers it differently the second time

2211
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,640
i just remember getting close to and it

2212
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,520
was gone and the stenza saw what you

2213
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,000
know that i went into it so they put me

2214
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:03,840
under to try to see if i could remember

2215
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,719
some of that so um

2216
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,040
now has anyone ever tried

2217
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,600
um you know not that it's needed in any

2218
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:13,199
type of way at all but has anyone ever

2219
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,800
tried to get any one of you on a

2220
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,120
polygraph test

2221
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,440
no yeah i mean this is one of the cases

2222
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,880
where there's so many witnesses it would

2223
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,080
be foolish

2224
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,480
you know to ever try anything like that

2225
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
well i i mean i you can't say it would

2226
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:30,480
be foolish but

2227
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,480
the the issue with the polygraph is what

2228
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,000
are they going to ask us were we out

2229
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,000
there yeah that's been substantiated um

2230
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,840
yeah i guess you could go after penis

2231
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,040
and say

2232
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,880
did you really see a triangular craft

2233
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,640
did you really walk around it did you

2234
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,400
really touch it yeah did you really have

2235
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:48,400
binary um

2236
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,159
so yeah they could do that um

2237
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:54,159
what they could say did you see what

2238
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:55,520
penises saw

2239
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:56,400
you know

2240
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,239
clear through a lie detector test but

2241
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,320
to me you would what would be the point

2242
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,159
of the lie detector test

2243
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,760
you know

2244
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,600
as far as if you just want to know if

2245
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,760
the incident took place it took place

2246
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:14,159
and strange things happened um and i

2247
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,679
don't know

2248
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:18,000
how it would clarify the rest i mean

2249
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,600
right to say

2250
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,199
that

2251
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,760
not to do it is would be stupid i mean

2252
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,400
whatever i mean you know

2253
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,719
has there ever been an attempt by any

2254
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,120
one of you to get

2255
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:33,360
everyone together to just sit down and

2256
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,679
hash out the differences

2257
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,760
well that that yeah there was jimmy

2258
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,360
church tried to work on that at one

2259
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,360
point um supposedly had somebody with

2260
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,280
some money that wanted to do it

2261
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,080
and halt just let out said he wouldn't

2262
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:49,440
he wouldn't show up it warned it um

2263
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,639
so that alienated people um that's what

2264
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,040
i'm saying all along

2265
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,280
the the big one of the bigger issues is

2266
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,800
is that there's a lot of different

2267
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,560
people that saw the different things

2268
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,679
we've had some of the different

2269
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,280
witnesses on

2270
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:05,120
on the second night

2271
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,719
we're on the third night heard things

2272
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:09,040
and saw things and it would be fantastic

2273
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:10,960
if that would happen but there was

2274
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:12,080
always that

2275
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,679
thing hanging over

2276
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,600
the warren hall

2277
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:18,080
clash and then and then some of the new

2278
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:19,760
witnesses that come forward recently

2279
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,880
hall attacks them right away so you know

2280
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,880
if you don't if you don't follow halt's

2281
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,840
line if you don't go along with what he

2282
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,600
said happened if you say anything

2283
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:32,000
different he goes after you so

2284
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,159
i don't think it'll ever happen and to

2285
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,400
be honest with you i really question

2286
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:37,920
whether hall ever really wants it to

2287
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,800
happen he as a leader as a colonel if he

2288
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,320
really cared about us if he really

2289
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,080
wanted to know what happened

2290
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,920
as far as put it all together and get

2291
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,560
all the stories together he would try to

2292
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,800
get us together but he never has

2293
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,800
do you think part of it has to do with

2294
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,880
the very fact that he was a leader and

2295
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,920
he was

2296
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,840
you know in you know a deputy commander

2297
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:59,440
of the base at the time

2298
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:00,639
that he

2299
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,320
i don't want to say it's an ego thing

2300
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,000
but it's more of a

2301
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,560
a control type of thing over the

2302
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:08,159
information do you think that's what it

2303
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,520
is

2304
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:11,600
well if you mean by control

2305
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:14,560
is is he a part of the cover-up i'd say

2306
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,320
he possibly could be um as far as just

2307
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,480
him controlling everything that still

2308
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:21,840
couldn't keep us from all getting

2309
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,639
together i mean he's gone out of his way

2310
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,480
to not want us to get together is what

2311
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,800
i'm saying you know what i mean yeah he

2312
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,880
doesn't really seem to care about what

2313
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,440
really happened he doesn't really seem

2314
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,880
because if he did

2315
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:37,520
he sure as heck based just on church's

2316
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,480
offer

2317
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,639
could have you know spearheaded it you

2318
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:42,400
know because some of the issue could be

2319
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:46,000
money but there was supposedly money on

2320
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:48,159
the table that could get us all together

2321
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,600
but right away he had stipulations and

2322
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,440
and also killed it

2323
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,600
you know and this is

2324
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,000
this is a case that is still in

2325
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,320
contemporary times you know this is it's

2326
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:02,000
going to happen time will move on you

2327
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,760
know this this case i think is going to

2328
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,520
go down as one of the

2329
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,360
one of the you know

2330
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,120
well it's already called

2331
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,360
you know england's roswell and all that

2332
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:12,639
i think it's going to go down as one of

2333
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:15,840
the most extraordinary cases

2334
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:18,719
most everyone is alive as far as i know

2335
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,920
and it's just too bad that that can't

2336
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:24,239
uh you know that can happen you know all

2337
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:25,840
that is happening is you know separate

2338
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,800
accounts

2339
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,880
and uh which don't always seem to line

2340
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:30,880
up

2341
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,880
mean

2342
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,120
that's the point get us all together and

2343
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:38,960
see why i mean

2344
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,440
but again that i don't think that'll

2345
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,440
happen i think those days i think the

2346
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:45,120
closest we ever came to it would have

2347
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,239
been

2348
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,000
the 30th now

2349
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,840
i mean i guess there's an outside chance

2350
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,360
on the 40th

2351
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,080
that you know whoever's still around and

2352
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:56,080
i'm not saying anybody's near death but

2353
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,040
i mean

2354
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,040
halt's way up there in age williams has

2355
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,120
been sick and is up there in age

2356
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,520
you know um conrad i haven't talked to

2357
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:05,199
him for three or four years i don't know

2358
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,639
his status but

2359
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:08,880
the the senior staff are getting up in

2360
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,920
age but

2361
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,000
yeah it would be kind of cool you know

2362
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,840
even if we couldn't go to the uk to do

2363
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,800
it that on the 40th anniversary

2364
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,560
you know we pick a spot somewhere in

2365
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:20,400
central amer you know central united

2366
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,360
states

2367
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,040
and everybody would get together you

2368
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,880
know would be cool and and sit down and

2369
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,960
talk about it but

2370
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,040
i i don't see it happen i'm not saying

2371
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,199
some of us won't get together but i just

2372
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,199
don't see

2373
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,679
the the you know enough people getting

2374
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,679
together and sitting down and talking

2375
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:39,040
through it i think

2376
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,159
that

2377
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,040
it was it's by design this way um

2378
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:45,840
and i think that they're covering up

2379
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:47,520
you know i don't want to say aliens or

2380
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,239
time travelers but they're covering up

2381
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,480
well what our involvement was as far as

2382
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,320
technology-wise what we're learning from

2383
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,800
what we're doing it's incondying i mean

2384
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,040
in fact i did foia i don't know if

2385
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,040
you're aware of that but remember how

2386
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,560
the british said that they'd released

2387
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,480
all their documents yes

2388
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,560
well i've got them i caught them to

2389
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:08,159
admit that they hadn't they're still

2390
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,600
holding 18 files really and um

2391
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,440
yeah it's not a huge story it's been

2392
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,280
around it ended up on the house the

2393
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,000
florida house of lords because they

2394
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,920
admitted it to me and then they were

2395
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,679
going to release it and they didn't and

2396
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,080
then then it got taken to the floor and

2397
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,840
they said they were and then they were

2398
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,520
then they they were they supposedly

2399
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:29,679
released it to the archives last summer

2400
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,520
and then they pulled it back because

2401
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:33,040
there was still classified stuff in

2402
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,719
there that shouldn't have been

2403
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,719
so whatever's in there they're they're

2404
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,960
highly redacting them so it means a lot

2405
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,040
of classified stuff but of course the

2406
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,360
debunkers are saying well you know

2407
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,880
there's nothing to this these are all

2408
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,639
documents and stuff well if that's the

2409
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:48,159
case why are they taking so long to

2410
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:50,320
release it and why are they redacting so

2411
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,440
much of it and then on top of it i was

2412
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,360
going further along with some stuff i

2413
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,440
had and uh

2414
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,280
got them to admit that they actually

2415
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:01,199
developed a weapon off whatever we

2416
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,480
encountered

2417
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,159
and um

2418
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,320
then they section me and i can't ask any

2419
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,679
more questions until everything's

2420
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,440
released

2421
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:10,880
so

2422
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,400
there's that whole issue going on um but

2423
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,800
i they're they're covering up

2424
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,040
you know it's easy to say aliens were

2425
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:21,360
there but i i don't know what was there

2426
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:22,880
and i don't know exactly what we were

2427
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,560
doing and what else was there and what

2428
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,760
was going on

2429
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,679
but there it's clearly something that's

2430
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,840
still important to this day that needs

2431
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,000
to remain classified to include my

2432
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,159
medical records do you know what i mean

2433
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,719
and we we still can't totally understand

2434
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,719
what could be in my records that they

2435
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,719
wouldn't want released to a doctor at

2436
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,440
least at least you know in other words

2437
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,360
only certain doctors in the va can see

2438
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,040
my records certain parts of my records

2439
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:48,880
are restricted from my regular doctor

2440
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,080
even

2441
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,840
have you ever heard of anyone else's

2442
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,920
medical records being classified like

2443
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,040
that

2444
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:56,960
well what i've learned

2445
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,080
was through this lady that um

2446
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,760
that was working for kyle and she ended

2447
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,920
up going to work for the new guy that

2448
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:05,840
got elected and cosplayed he's a

2449
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,120
republican too

2450
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,800
was that there is a special operations

2451
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,880
in out on the east coast they store the

2452
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,880
records i think in jackson mississippi

2453
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,159
if i got this right that's what the

2454
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,560
attorney was from but they do

2455
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,600
have a classified section for operations

2456
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,440
that take place in other words like you

2457
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,679
have seals involved in operations to get

2458
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,239
injured cia you know different people

2459
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,719
so there are things in the records that

2460
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:32,960
would be classified because they can't

2461
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,480
release them you know

2462
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,199
and then there are different people like

2463
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,960
she said she learned of the sec the

2464
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,800
record section in the first place

2465
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,239
because they were working on agent

2466
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:44,400
orange and they kept running into

2467
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,560
different road blocks and they finally

2468
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:48,080
got him to admit that there were

2469
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,360
different people's records were

2470
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,120
classified because of the stuff that

2471
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,800
involved agent orange

2472
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:54,320
and then that was one of the first

2473
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,520
tip-offs

2474
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,920
to my records being classified because

2475
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,159
that she was getting the same you know

2476
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,400
results from requests from my records

2477
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,920
and the way they were reacting and

2478
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:06,080
treating it as they did on certain

2479
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,679
people involved and this other stuff

2480
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,679
that was classified in vietnam and stuff

2481
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:11,199
so

2482
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:14,880
but

2483
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:16,800
i'm not sure about anybody else's

2484
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,120
records that were involved but what's

2485
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,840
interesting is the cia guy

2486
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,320
that got involved and helped get my

2487
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:25,440
treatment

2488
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,719
actually went i don't know if you're

2489
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,159
aware of this site it's called above top

2490
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,320
secret oh yeah and

2491
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,159
he he actually went in there because

2492
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,760
right after my

2493
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,159
records got the the

2494
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,000
when they gave me my disability and we

2495
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,520
did the press release there was this

2496
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:41,440
huge debate about it

2497
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,880
and he jumped in and said yeah um i was

2498
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:46,080
involved with it

2499
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:48,080
yes his records are classified and

2500
01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:49,600
there's only two other sets of records

2501
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,400
i've seen classified now i'm reminding

2502
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,719
i'm telling you this in the public is

2503
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,639
is that i didn't say this he said it

2504
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,360
okay so take that not coming from me

2505
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,880
that he said there's only two other sets

2506
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:02,960
of records you seem classified like this

2507
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,480
adolf hitler's and john f kennedy's

2508
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,880
and it he said it probably ties into

2509
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:10,560
people to review my records with special

2510
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:13,280
access programs and stuff like that but

2511
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:14,880
the fact are that my records are

2512
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,440
classified and

2513
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:20,159
there you go so he even

2514
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:24,000
came out and said that on this forum so

2515
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,600
wow amazing

2516
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,600
um now what about the

2517
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,280
the story about the cameras being

2518
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,440
confiscated that i know there was a

2519
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:34,000
issue with uh pictures not coming out i

2520
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,360
believe right

2521
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:37,760
well yeah that there were pictures that

2522
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,560
were

2523
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,800
turned in and came back fogged that much

2524
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,639
came out i had nothing to do with any of

2525
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:45,840
that um i guess adrian vistinza i

2526
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:48,880
believe and larry warren made statements

2527
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,520
that that that why this took place on

2528
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:53,040
the third night they were ordered to

2529
01:31:57,510 --> 01:31:56,000
take some cameras but i wasn't there for

2530
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:57,520
any of that so

2531
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,480
you know that's what was stated and

2532
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,800
i think halt's denied all that but you

2533
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:04,800
know that that did come out that way and

2534
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,239
that the pictures that came back did

2535
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,159
come back were all fogged

2536
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,159
right now this is a question i'm going

2537
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:12,480
to ask you it's pretty obvious that you

2538
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:13,840
would say

2539
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:16,880
not go near the craft but other than the

2540
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:19,360
radiation issues that you had

2541
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,719
if you

2542
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:22,639
and just pretend that didn't happen

2543
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,880
would you do anything different

2544
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:26,719
like if you could take it all back and

2545
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:29,040
start all over again

2546
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,560
well yeah i've been asked that when i go

2547
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,960
out there knowing what i know now well

2548
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:35,040
if i would have been on duty again and

2549
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:37,120
there was no one else to go i would have

2550
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:39,040
gone this was my job

2551
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,719
as far as um

2552
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:42,159
if someone else would have stepped up

2553
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:43,840
and said they wanted to go i would have

2554
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:45,440
known what i know now i would let them

2555
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:46,639
go um

2556
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,520
as far as getting close to it i mean

2557
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:52,320
both times it wasn't like

2558
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,159
yeah i guess we were trying to figure it

2559
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,400
out the first night was the aircraft the

2560
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,800
third night was i was just so blown away

2561
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,960
that it came back a second and a third

2562
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:01,920
night

2563
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,760
that yeah i was trying to figure it out

2564
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:05,040
um

2565
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:05,840
i

2566
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:24,719
and and by the way you wouldn't even

2567
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,760
know

2568
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:27,840
what night it was that you actually were

2569
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,880
exposed for sure

2570
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:33,360
no um pedestal has said that he saw that

2571
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,480
i disappeared also there's he's talked

2572
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:38,960
about that some before so

2573
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,960
i i don't know i really don't know i

2574
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,480
mean obviously

2575
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,320
if i went into it disappeared on the

2576
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:46,400
third night there had been some pretty

2577
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:48,719
interact interesting interactions going

2578
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:52,080
on so if it wasn't the first night some

2579
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,000
of it happened definitely something had

2580
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:56,080
to happen to me on the third night well

2581
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,239
i think you were pretty brave to undergo

2582
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,159
hypnotherapy to

2583
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:02,400
see what happened inside of if you did

2584
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:05,120
go inside the craft i mean i i was just

2585
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:06,800
thinking

2586
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,880
well it really wasn't at the time in 88

2587
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,960
whether i went inside it or not it was

2588
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,199
just what can i remember that i can't

2589
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:17,440
remember especially the third night the

2590
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,760
second the first night wasn't that big

2591
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:21,199
of a question

2592
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:22,400
it was like

2593
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,040
look this is what i saw it came down

2594
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,280
well i mean it was there the light the

2595
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,239
the lights uh the force lit up it was

2596
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:32,560
white light bright there was this oval

2597
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:34,480
orange object in there blue lights and

2598
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,480
all that other stuff then it dimmed and

2599
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:38,800
it took off and left i drove that in my

2600
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:42,159
statement um even in 88 remember now

2601
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:43,920
peniston's story hadn't come out where

2602
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:45,520
he'd walk around it and all that you

2603
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,880
know what i mean

2604
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,960
so for me it was pretty cut and dry this

2605
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:50,800
is what i remember

2606
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:54,560
the third night was the troubling night

2607
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,239
because of some of what adrian was

2608
01:35:01,830 --> 01:34:58,560
talking about off hadn't talked about

2609
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,840
openly and i knew about and when i got

2610
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:03,840
closer then it was gone so that was the

2611
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:05,600
night we were really looking at and i

2612
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:07,280
was just trying to remember what

2613
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:09,120
happened when i got close to it i it

2614
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:11,040
wasn't like did i go into it or anything

2615
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:12,800
like that i see

2616
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:14,800
wow now i'll tell you this i'm not going

2617
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,679
under hypnosis again yeah she won't have

2618
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,159
it again i don't blame you i uh travis

2619
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:21,840
walton says the same thing he'll never

2620
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,719
do it again um

2621
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,480
someone in the chat room wanted me to

2622
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:28,639
ask you if you've ever experienced

2623
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:29,520
anything

2624
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,800
uh post rendering forest

2625
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,880
ufo sightings or anything

2626
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,880
there was obviously in 10 when we went

2627
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,639
over there some weird stuff happened oh

2628
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:40,560
yes you mentioned that earlier i'm sorry

2629
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:43,040
and then when i lived in sedona there

2630
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,880
was two or three times

2631
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:46,800
we were out in this particular area in

2632
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,239
west sedona

2633
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:49,920
and there were strange lights flying

2634
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:52,960
around and some stuff going on so

2635
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:55,600
yes i've seen things since

2636
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:58,400
rendelsham but again i have no idea what

2637
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,320
they were and i'm not claiming they were

2638
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:03,040
aliens so how's that sound yeah okay

2639
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:04,159
very good

2640
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,120
now uh in the forum someone want to know

2641
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:09,360
have there been lots of reported ufo

2642
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:11,600
activity occurring over other military

2643
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:13,120
bases now i know

2644
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,280
um when it comes to um can't remember

2645
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,199
the base exactly but

2646
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,600
like warheads and stuff like that yes

2647
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:21,760
but are there any other that you're

2648
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:24,639
aware of military bases

2649
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,440
well there were some guys that

2650
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,600
especially in the 90s

2651
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:31,280
when

2652
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:36,320
was the first well cnn did their their

2653
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:39,280
piece but that was early on for cable

2654
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:41,760
news network and that was i remember

2655
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,080
right that was done in 86

2656
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:46,560
so you know cable wasn't big then cnn

2657
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,159
was a very big so i don't know how many

2658
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,360
people saw it and i was in korea they

2659
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,199
they they hit me in korea for a year

2660
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:55,040
with haltom williams

2661
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,440
believe it or not i was at osan hall was

2662
01:37:02,070 --> 01:36:59,679
at kunsan and williams was pac-half

2663
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:02,080
commander we were hid away so no one

2664
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,719
could get at us when the story broke so

2665
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:06,239
nothing was really said to me then by

2666
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:07,600
the time i got back to the states had

2667
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,119
been a year later

2668
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,880
but after the unsalt mysteries piece

2669
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,800
came out i had different guys come up to

2670
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:14,480
me and say strange things that happen at

2671
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,840
different bases

2672
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,880
so yeah there's been strange activity at

2673
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:20,400
different basis

2674
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,600
right definitely

2675
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,159
some that's never going public yes

2676
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:26,080
yes yeah

2677
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,119
it

2678
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,960
i uh

2679
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,280
i'm just trying to think of

2680
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,840
the military base that i which one it is

2681
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:34,800
where

2682
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,960
i've heard that a lot of things have

2683
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,040
happened but i've like in the states

2684
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,440
they've had a lot of activity down at

2685
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,679
eglin over the years

2686
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:45,440
in florida um

2687
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:48,159
obviously area 51 comes up there's been

2688
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:50,080
also activity out in california

2689
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:51,840
especially down in the desert around

2690
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,040
edwards

2691
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,719
and vandenberg

2692
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:55,920
yeah um

2693
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:58,400
kirkland down in new mexico has had

2694
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:00,000
different stuff happen over the years

2695
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:03,199
too right yeah the hell it goes back to

2696
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,320
um

2697
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,719
uh paul uh benowitz

2698
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,960
yeah seeing some things

2699
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:11,280
and uh some someone wanted to know has

2700
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:12,400
this

2701
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,719
incident um you know being part of

2702
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:18,639
actually this person wrote one of the

2703
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:22,000
most famous ufo incidents in history how

2704
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:23,840
is how do you think you know besides

2705
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:29,750
you know

2706
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,239
again there's only two things before my

2707
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,760
health all i cared about was trying to

2708
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:36,560
figure out what it was okay so

2709
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:37,280
but

2710
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:38,320
you know

2711
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,920
up until about 2008 2009

2712
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,400
it wasn't like something that i really

2713
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,199
looked at that closely but then i also

2714
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,840
have to admit with the internet you know

2715
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,600
as it's grown over the years it's easier

2716
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,600
and easier to research

2717
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:56,080
and to contact people and stuff so that

2718
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,920
played into me looking at this closer

2719
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,159
too and then obviously after my health

2720
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,920
issues came up i really started pushing

2721
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:02,960
for stuff

2722
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:03,920
so

2723
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:05,119
you know

2724
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:06,480
um

2725
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:07,360
i

2726
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,440
encountered so

2727
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,520
that's the biggest thing that's changed

2728
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,360
in me you know i want to know what it

2729
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,159
was and and i probably will always want

2730
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,159
to know what it is you know

2731
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:44,159
right right and who knows if we'll ever

2732
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:46,000
have the answer

2733
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:48,000
in the chat room someone wanted to know

2734
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,040
if you think that halt is deliberately

2735
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,440
trying to spread disinformation and

2736
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,800
confusion

2737
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:55,679
and

2738
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,600
uh trying to discredit other people um

2739
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,920
you sort of address that but uh i guess

2740
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,520
they're looking for more of like an

2741
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:05,199
opinion and if you think that's true

2742
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:05,920
well

2743
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,480
it's clear it's clear that he loves to

2744
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,960
go after warren okay i mean i just you

2745
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:12,239
can't

2746
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:16,320
and do you want me to say does warren

2747
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:17,600
deserve it well there's a lot of

2748
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:20,560
discrepancies in warren's story

2749
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,760
so

2750
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,600
you know

2751
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,840
it's a no-brainer that he didn't like it

2752
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,360
and there's been a big issue between

2753
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,239
halt and robbins too but the thing is is

2754
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:31,520
that

2755
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,480
again

2756
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,800
there's things that he hasn't said that

2757
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:36,960
he wasn't truthful about

2758
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:39,600
and that he nev he's never really

2759
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,360
stepped up and i've challenged him on

2760
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:43,520
this more than once step up and get us

2761
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,719
together if halt said let's meet in six

2762
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,880
months in this location i think a lot of

2763
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,800
people would show up yeah and a lot of

2764
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:52,719
people will talk he's never done that

2765
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,440
and

2766
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:54,880
the the fact that he wants to

2767
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:57,280
continually attack everybody in

2768
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:59,119
different ways and he does it more

2769
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:02,000
subtly with myself and peniston and

2770
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,280
bestenza

2771
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,199
and some of the new witnesses have come

2772
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,840
forward and stuff but the the thing is

2773
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,000
is that he's not acting like someone who

2774
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,000
really cares to know what went on or to

2775
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,480
get us together and figure it out

2776
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,639
so i can say that for sure yeah when i

2777
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,320
talked to him when he was on the show a

2778
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,520
few months ago

2779
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,679
he basically said for the most part of

2780
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,440
his life that he puts us on the shelf

2781
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,440
and doesn't even think about it

2782
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,600
and you know he you know and he wouldn't

2783
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:29,440
be unless you know the book came along

2784
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:31,040
he was approached

2785
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,560
um uh by i'm trying to remember

2786
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,880
you know john hanson yes that's not true

2787
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:38,800
he'd been shopping to try to get a book

2788
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,280
out for years and no one would take it

2789
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,760
he was working with sally rail and she

2790
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,520
kicked him and penced into the curb

2791
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,360
because she couldn't get the truth out

2792
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:49,119
of them she didn't feel what they were

2793
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,239
telling

2794
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,400
her was truthful they wouldn't cooperate

2795
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:54,159
with her and there's been other people

2796
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,560
he's tried to to do the book with and

2797
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:58,480
i'm just going to be blunt about this

2798
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,159
you know he came on i've heard him do a

2799
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,840
couple interviews and he said well you

2800
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,760
know my idea wasn't to make any money

2801
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,280
was just get the truth out well they did

2802
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,840
an 800 page book that half of it doesn't

2803
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,239
even talk about ben waters itself

2804
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,960
number one number two i'm just

2805
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:14,960
he's a colonel in the united states air

2806
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,920
force that said et's possible and the

2807
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,679
best he could do was get the guy that

2808
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,600
wrote his book for him write it for him

2809
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,360
you know the man should have if he was

2810
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:25,040
honest and people wanted to work with

2811
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,480
him should have been able to get a

2812
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,400
decent author to come forward

2813
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,159
and write a book just on his experience

2814
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:32,000
on what took place and to be honest with

2815
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,280
you there should have been a movie by

2816
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,520
now too involving the incident and the

2817
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,440
fact that he was in the middle of it

2818
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,239
right and it hasn't happened either yeah

2819
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,080
um going back to when this thing was

2820
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:44,080
actually happening i've heard people

2821
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,520
that have had

2822
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,440
you know major encounters

2823
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,600
think that it's kind of like the end of

2824
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:51,040
the world or they just you know they

2825
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:52,800
just can't understand

2826
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,119
what is happening do you remember any

2827
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,199
type of feeling like that like

2828
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:59,280
what the heck is happening to the

2829
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,480
you know i mean a lot of people think

2830
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,320
it's like worldwide or something

2831
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,880
happening when it's happening to them

2832
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,880
do you remember any of those feelings

2833
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:08,639
you talk about when we had our encounter

2834
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,679
yes

2835
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:12,639
no i to be honest with you i was 19 what

2836
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:14,080
how i want to get this right because

2837
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,760
somebody will come after me and add my

2838
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,080
age up okay i would have been

2839
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,400
i would have been 20 and 80 right so i

2840
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,239
was 19 years

2841
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:24,639
what oh i was 20 years old okay because

2842
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,400
i was turned 20 in july okay and

2843
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:30,880
i was all about

2844
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,080
having fun okay so there's nothing on my

2845
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:36,080
mind prior to this this has taken place

2846
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:38,320
i wasn't into this kind of stuff and

2847
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,760
when it took place

2848
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,480
i really didn't look at it as what it

2849
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:44,400
came out to be as far as aliens and all

2850
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:46,320
this stuff i just looked at it as there

2851
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:47,840
was something there we don't know what

2852
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:50,719
it is and i can't explain it and so no i

2853
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,159
wasn't worried about the world was

2854
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,920
coming to end or anything else it was

2855
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:55,440
more like

2856
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:57,600
what i just saw i can't explain and i

2857
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,440
don't see how it could do it and the

2858
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:01,600
interesting thing is is that on that

2859
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,400
note

2860
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:05,280
at the time the technology that we had

2861
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:08,320
wasn't known and believe it or not with

2862
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:10,719
these declassified documents we had some

2863
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:13,040
technology back in 1980 that most people

2864
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,400
don't know about and if they don't do

2865
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:16,000
their research they couldn't believe

2866
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,480
that a lot of what we saw and took place

2867
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,560
could be explained by technology now

2868
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:22,400
that's been declassified

2869
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,440
and some of the stuff even on those that

2870
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,000
18 000 uh documents that were released

2871
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,400
by the cia there's stuff in there that

2872
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,560
they admit to the technology we have and

2873
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,560
the russians had at the time and that

2874
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,239
the russians and us were playing back

2875
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:37,840
and forth with each other's facilities

2876
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,719
including nuclear weapons at the time

2877
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,280
okay so let me ask you this

2878
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,159
um you know this case has it made you

2879
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,480
look at other cases and also i want to

2880
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,400
ask you some things about the military

2881
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,600
as well

2882
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,520
okay that um

2883
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,040
you talk about other cases kirkland

2884
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:56,960
happened right before us it's very

2885
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,520
interesting it was a weapon storage area

2886
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:01,119
they had some stuff seen and happened

2887
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:03,280
just almost like us and there was a lot

2888
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:05,360
of technology down there um so i've

2889
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,520
looked at that one um i've had cash

2890
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,280
landers brought up to me on one occasion

2891
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,880
because it happened immediately after

2892
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,080
our incident

2893
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,679
there could be something involved

2894
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,199
whatever they were hauling and maybe had

2895
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,440
something to do with us i don't know

2896
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:19,600
but as far as looking at a lot of other

2897
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:21,840
incidents no i lived in phoenix when the

2898
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,840
phoenix lights took place i know more

2899
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,840
about it than i can say

2900
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:28,080
but what i'm getting at is that would be

2901
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:29,679
the only other one i've really looked at

2902
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:31,360
closely i see

2903
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,719
now

2904
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:34,639
you were talking about this this so this

2905
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:37,920
happened back in 1980 i have a

2906
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:40,480
a friend that had an amazing

2907
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,400
um triangle sighting back in 1978 in

2908
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:46,159
massachusetts a lot of people saw a lot

2909
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,440
of witnesses

2910
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:49,679
um so you think

2911
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:52,960
um the do you

2912
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,760
kind of assume or think it's possible

2913
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,080
that the triangle the big triangles even

2914
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,239
the huge ones that people are seeing

2915
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,480
like the phoenix lights and other ones

2916
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,400
that are noted do you think it's

2917
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:07,280
possible that they're military

2918
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,600
well all i could say is this a guy that

2919
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:10,960
did the initial

2920
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,639
investigation in bell waters was chuck

2921
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,320
de caro we've had him on our show more

2922
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:15,600
than once

2923
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,440
he left cnn went to work for the dod and

2924
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:21,040
he worked for a guy by the name of andy

2925
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:22,639
marshall and if no mo a lot of people

2926
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,560
don't know he is but he was the top

2927
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:26,639
think tank in the united states for

2928
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:29,119
advanced weaponry and new technology

2929
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:32,159
and they called him yoda but chuck will

2930
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:34,000
over and over tell you he's not trying

2931
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,840
to tell people we're not we're not not

2932
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,440
alone that they're not some other life

2933
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,600
form out there but a lot of what people

2934
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,600
see is probably us or the russians are

2935
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,800
both

2936
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,560
and i would say

2937
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,880
when i first got into this i laughed at

2938
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:47,679
that

2939
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,400
declassified from the 70s and 80s and

2940
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:56,080
stuff that

2941
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:57,040
that

2942
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,600
i just can't believe we had then

2943
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,920
imagine what we have now and on top of

2944
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,560
it

2945
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,400
i can't go into any detail other than

2946
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,040
just tell you this when i was over for

2947
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:09,199
after 9 11 i was put back on active duty

2948
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,639
and i was deployed to the middle east on

2949
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:12,880
more than one occasion and i was in

2950
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:14,719
classified locations there was stuff

2951
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:16,719
that i seen and took place

2952
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:19,280
that just would blow people's minds if

2953
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:20,800
they knew what we had what we were

2954
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:22,639
capable of doing

2955
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:26,080
wow uh yeah it really makes you wonder

2956
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:27,360
um there

2957
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,080
how

2958
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:30,239
something doesn't get out you know i

2959
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:31,040
know

2960
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:32,400
you're

2961
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:34,719
it's classified and all that but it just

2962
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,679
seems

2963
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:38,239
to me that if these

2964
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,600
you know these triangles that are

2965
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,920
floating around now and again you know i

2966
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:43,520
mean there have been sightings of

2967
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:46,159
triangles 100 years ago too

2968
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,760
so it's not i wouldn't say it's a

2969
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,480
blanket answer but no no no and that's

2970
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:52,320
what i tried to tell people i'm not

2971
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,600
saying

2972
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,280
just with our incident i think it was

2973
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,920
both okay do i think that some of this

2974
01:48:03,350 --> 01:47:59,280
stuff going on

2975
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,360
um now is all us no i think it's both i

2976
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,920
also believe that you have to look at

2977
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,119
the areas

2978
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,480
took place and what was around their

2979
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:12,800
military-wise and everything else

2980
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,920
and

2981
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,560
i i definitely don't think we're alone

2982
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:18,960
but again there's so many people out

2983
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,840
there to tell them there's grays there's

2984
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:24,080
what is a reptilians and all that i'm

2985
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:25,840
not against any of that because there's

2986
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:27,920
stuff that's happened to me and stuff

2987
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,320
that i know that if people listen to my

2988
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,920
story probably listen to think i'm half

2989
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,760
nuts too so i'm not saying these people

2990
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,080
are wrong but there's just not enough

2991
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,159
evidence out there for me

2992
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,159
to tell you me exactly what it is how

2993
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,480
much of us us how much of something else

2994
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:45,440
and and and how much we know other than

2995
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:47,840
i do believe whatever's going on we're

2996
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,080
definitely trying to weaponize it and

2997
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:51,840
trying to understand it you know what i

2998
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:54,800
mean and to use it to our advantage and

2999
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,080
whichever country holds the technology

3000
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,600
will have the advantage over the world

3001
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:03,760
and would have a better advantage to

3002
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,920
whatever could be going to happen or you

3003
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,760
know whatever's out there

3004
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,119
yeah that that's kind of scary the

3005
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,360
weaponizing part of

3006
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,400
the possibilities and that's been um you

3007
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:16,080
know that's uh something a number of

3008
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:18,000
people have talked about like

3009
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,119
if these

3010
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,920
things were you know for instance if it

3011
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,920
was et and it was here it was back

3012
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,360
engineered you know that would

3013
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:27,520
definitely be kept secret because of the

3014
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,600
weaponizing well right and you realize

3015
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:31,360
too that that's part of this whole thing

3016
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,679
that was with the contact scenario they

3017
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,199
did if you've seen the articles where

3018
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:37,199
they admitted first that e.t was

3019
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,600
possibly here and gone whatever e.t is

3020
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:41,360
whether it's the annunaki there's all

3021
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:43,760
kinds of flavors anunnaki

3022
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,159
graze whatever okay there's all kinds of

3023
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:48,080
things that supposedly visited us there

3024
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,520
was a little bit in the article that

3025
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,080
maybe were as is you know we're not

3026
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,320
really what we think we are or aliens

3027
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:56,560
that were put here um the article that

3028
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,480
just came out with mars the life was

3029
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,080
seated there and ended up here do you

3030
01:50:03,590 --> 01:50:01,920
know what i mean yeah and we're not who

3031
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,600
we think we are which would affect

3032
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,880
religion and all that other stuff so i

3033
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:08,400
mean and you go back to the contact

3034
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,719
scenario what to happen they gave us a

3035
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:13,040
message we built this thing and then we

3036
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,960
were able to travel somehow whether it

3037
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,719
was just through consciousness or

3038
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,639
physically you know it never really

3039
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:21,040
totally clarified you know other than

3040
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,600
maybe it was time travel or whatever and

3041
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,360
then she met up with something from

3042
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,800
somewhere else who said we've been

3043
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:28,639
visiting here for years not just us but

3044
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,679
other species do you know what i mean

3045
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,440
so there's been all kinds of these

3046
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,360
articles that are coming out now that

3047
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:37,040
aren't just i don't i don't like to

3048
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,719
sound mean but there's a lot of wacko

3049
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,400
sites out there okay

3050
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,040
but these are more mainstream articles

3051
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:45,119
and more scientific stuff involved in

3052
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,199
scientists talking about it and even the

3053
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:49,520
possibility that there was life on mars

3054
01:50:52,310 --> 01:50:50,320
and

3055
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,320
the seats from there came to air

3056
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:54,159
so

3057
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,560
the the my two things is there's not

3058
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,800
enough proof to give you a definitive

3059
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,639
answer on what it is

3060
01:51:06,149 --> 01:51:04,400
and number two they've kept the secret

3061
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,159
so long what would cause them to want to

3062
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,400
talk about it now but it does appear

3063
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,159
like there is a movement towards doing

3064
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:12,320
that so why would they do that and that

3065
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:16,239
would be my first question why now

3066
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:18,000
right why would you do it now what is

3067
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:20,000
the reasoning why have you kept a secret

3068
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:21,520
for so long and of course they could use

3069
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:23,119
the thing well we weren't really aware

3070
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,440
of it till now and there was messages

3071
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,800
coming in but we didn't know about it

3072
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,400
because we didn't have the technology to

3073
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:30,800
decipher it now this quantum has made it

3074
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:32,719
so that could be their excuse but i

3075
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:34,400
would find it hard to believe

3076
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,719
that quantum's been around for a while

3077
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,719
that they that they're not aware of

3078
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:40,560
something you know sooner than they're

3079
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:42,080
going to release it and the question

3080
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,920
would be why now then you know why would

3081
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,679
they release it yeah is it because

3082
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:47,360
technology we're getting so advanced

3083
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,880
they're going to have to admit to it i

3084
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,480
don't know that's that seems like a

3085
01:51:54,629 --> 01:51:52,719
logical choice

3086
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,639
definitely they're working on warp drive

3087
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,239
if you can believe that or not that's

3088
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:58,080
been articles out and and they're

3089
01:52:02,470 --> 01:51:59,840
working on gravitics which is like

3090
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,480
impulse power and star trek so

3091
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:04,000
you know are they going to say that the

3092
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,080
message was given to us how to do this

3093
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,400
or what i don't know we'll see but i do

3094
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,239
believe that there will be what

3095
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:13,199
bigelow's pushed confirmation sometime

3096
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,960
maybe as early as this summer and

3097
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:16,719
interesting enough the contact movie

3098
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,760
will be 20 years old this summer

3099
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:21,520
yeah that that is a

3100
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:23,199
such a well thought out movie i love

3101
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,400
that movie

3102
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,320
well and it would be a good way to

3103
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,880
expose it to the public without massive

3104
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:30,719
panic

3105
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,400
yes i don't think that

3106
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:34,320
i don't personally i don't think you

3107
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,719
know may happen in some

3108
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,400
some with some people and like you

3109
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,080
mentioned earlier some religions or

3110
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:42,560
something like that may not be able to

3111
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,280
to get a grip on it well going back to

3112
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,239
mars you know the possibility of being

3113
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:50,159
seated from mars

3114
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,400
it's hard for the human brain to fathom

3115
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:54,719
time when it comes to

3116
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,400
you know millions of years or billions

3117
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,560
of years or anything like that

3118
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,119
so i i agree that that could very well

3119
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,599
be possible at one time there's

3120
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:05,520
signs of you know of course water being

3121
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:08,560
on mars and probably a magnetosphere to

3122
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:10,400
hold everything in and you know there's

3123
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,199
very

3124
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,679
but

3125
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:15,520
have you ever wondered why

3126
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,480
like the rovers haven't really uncovered

3127
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:20,880
anything more solid as it comes to that

3128
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,960
or you know do you think that's possible

3129
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:24,480
do you think that

3130
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:26,960
it's possible that they have recovered

3131
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:28,320
some things like that and we just don't

3132
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,599
know

3133
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:31,599
well i'll be honest with you and i can't

3134
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:34,080
i basis just on pure speculation so take

3135
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,320
it for what it's worth

3136
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,719
if there's something out there

3137
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,560
they're trying to figure it out

3138
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:43,199
and i don't buy the fact that they know

3139
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:45,119
nothing like they claim

3140
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:46,880
and um

3141
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:47,840
so

3142
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,440
i do believe they know more than they've

3143
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:51,199
told us and

3144
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:52,719
then you get into the question of why

3145
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,119
they're holding it back you know and you

3146
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,760
could go down so many different avenues

3147
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,199
and they could intermix while they're

3148
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,360
holding it back but i do believe we're

3149
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:03,440
not alone i mean i

3150
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:05,760
i i lean towards that

3151
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,920
with condite saying we were exposing uap

3152
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,400
radiation uaps are involved in this in

3153
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,560
the british documents that are still

3154
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:14,719
classified they changed the terminology

3155
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:17,360
from ufos uaps in 2000 which is about

3156
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:18,880
the time the content report was being

3157
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:20,159
put together

3158
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:20,960
so

3159
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,920
i just don't know how much they know but

3160
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,520
i also don't buy the fact that they

3161
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,520
haven't done some contingency plans

3162
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:31,360
prepared for it and that they're not

3163
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,199
looking at whatever it is to weaponize

3164
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,639
it so the rest of us open to why

3165
01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:39,040
and why now you know what i mean

3166
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,679
yeah if we were being visited this is

3167
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:43,280
you know something i occasionally ask a

3168
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:44,080
guest

3169
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,040
why do you think that we're not being uh

3170
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,520
you know actually contacted directly or

3171
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,000
why do you think it's so evasive

3172
01:55:00,310 --> 01:54:57,920
well i mean you could throw the theory

3173
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,320
out are they trying to we just don't

3174
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:02,480
know we are was that what what happened

3175
01:55:05,109 --> 01:55:03,920
to us was that something they're trying

3176
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,119
to contact us but we couldn't

3177
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,280
communicate with it you know what i mean

3178
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:09,920
um so that's a that's a that's a

3179
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:12,080
question or you go into the conspiracy

3180
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,599
theories that they met with our

3181
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,280
government government leaders world

3182
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:17,280
leaders some of the world leaders are

3183
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,040
really them anyway you know there's a

3184
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:21,360
zillion reasons why i mean and that's

3185
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,280
part of the problem with disclosure if

3186
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,199
you come out and say their hair already

3187
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,520
that's going to lead just that's going

3188
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,280
to blow up and i mean even they're not

3189
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,800
going to be able to restrain mainstream

3190
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,199
media from asking a thousand questions

3191
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:35,119
so the easiest way to do this is simply

3192
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,960
say we've received a message from outer

3193
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,840
space

3194
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:39,760
we're in a process of either we've just

3195
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:42,480
we've actually um deciphered some of

3196
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:43,920
them and this is what they've said early

3197
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,239
on they're not that close yet and to

3198
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,480
slowly build us into it because any

3199
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:50,639
other way if they try

3200
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:52,320
they're not worried about the debunkers

3201
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,000
and the skeptics because a lot of them

3202
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,920
are just them anyway and they're not

3203
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,760
worried about the people that are into

3204
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,960
this because

3205
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:00,400
unless they

3206
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,320
say exactly what they want to hear

3207
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:04,560
there's going to be skepticism from them

3208
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:05,760
so what they're worrying about

3209
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,520
controlling is the majority of the

3210
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,080
people that don't know a lot about this

3211
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:11,760
they believe we're not alone but they're

3212
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:13,280
waiting for the government to tell us

3213
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,560
what to do next right right and there

3214
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:18,080
has to be i mean like you mentioned

3215
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:19,199
earlier

3216
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,599
if they just plain came out with it

3217
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,360
there would be so many questions and

3218
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,760
there'd be a lot of explaining a lot of

3219
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:27,679
explaining to do as jackie gleason used

3220
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:28,639
to say

3221
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,080
right and if you look at the contact

3222
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:32,639
scenario we just went into who is it

3223
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:35,199
what is it we don't know yet um oops

3224
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:37,199
they gave us this message we can't

3225
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:38,719
decipher it we're still trying to figure

3226
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:40,159
it out oh we figured it out with the

3227
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,239
perimeter and this is what they want us

3228
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:44,080
to build and do we do that and do we

3229
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:46,239
contact them so the bottom line it

3230
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:47,679
wasn't all the questions are they here

3231
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:49,760
or not it was simply how do we talk to

3232
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,280
them and how do we figure out what they

3233
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,360
want right right

3234
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:55,360
and i think that's the easiest way to go

3235
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,520
yeah yeah and you know

3236
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,760
you may be right i wouldn't i wouldn't

3237
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:00,960
even know if the word would be

3238
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,280
disclosure or who would just be

3239
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:05,599
so bigelow called a confirmation he said

3240
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,560
flat out

3241
01:57:09,669 --> 01:57:08,159
we'll confirm that there's something out

3242
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:09,679
there but we're not going any further

3243
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,520
with it wow wow great so john uh thanks

3244
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:15,040
so much we're at the end of our time

3245
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:17,280
here can you throw out one more time how

3246
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:19,360
someone would catch your your show every

3247
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:20,639
thursday

3248
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,199
yeah it's on kgra it's on the web just

3249
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:26,400
you can google kgra and we're on every

3250
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:27,760
thursday night

3251
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:30,400
linda molten how myself do a show from 8

3252
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,719
to 10 eastern call phenomenon radio and

3253
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:34,080
we bring on people involving

3254
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:35,679
technologies different things we're

3255
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,719
going to have somebody on with

3256
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,040
statistics ufo signings this week we're

3257
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:41,360
going to have danny sheehan on the week

3258
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,840
after with the vatican connection to

3259
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:45,840
this oh and then

3260
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:49,119
possibly there's going to be a um a show

3261
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,040
sometime towards the end of april where

3262
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:52,560
i'm going to disclose some more about my

3263
01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:56,639
hypnosis so wow great and your book

3264
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:58,400
encounter and reynolds enforcement it

3265
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,239
was encounters in reynoldson forest it's

3266
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,639
available on amazon nick pope was the

3267
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:04,800
main author jim penis and i contributed

3268
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:07,679
to it and it's about the story of our

3269
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:10,719
experience inside rendelsham forest and

3270
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:13,119
nick's experience inside the mod and it

3271
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:15,679
goes into contact somewhat in there also

3272
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:17,599
excellent all right john hey thanks so

3273
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:19,040
much it's always a pleasure talking to

3274
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:20,960
you thanks for having me on martin and

3275
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:23,040
uh let's hope maybe this summer we'll

3276
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:24,800
have something more to talk about sounds

3277
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:27,199
good all right you take care

3278
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,400
thanks all right good night good night

3279
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:32,400
all right that's it uh thanks so much

3280
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:34,880
for listening and thanks for joining in

3281
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:36,320
in the chat room

3282
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:37,440
and uh

3283
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,800
i thought it was a great show this

3284
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:41,360
evening and also we have uh for next

3285
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:44,719
week is ryan sprague um out of new york

3286
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:47,199
city he's got a book out i don't have